Richard Spencer punched in the face at protest

[ingemann]

Violence is never the answer.

WWII.

It would be a good point, through this is more Communist in the late Weimar Republic than the Allies in WWII. Remind me about the great success of the Communist stopping Hitler from gaining power.

Well in that case reality must have a liberal bias, because the violence created by the German communist was major factor in Hitler gaining power.

This is the thing pathetic wannabe thugs like you fail to understand in your smug and ignorant self-righteousness. thug like you are part of the problem, the way you beat violent thugs like you and fascists mirror of you, which you pretend to oppose, are a state with a strong monopoly of force. The victors of WWI had ensured that the Weimar Republic didn't have that, and violent idiots like you ensured that the Right consolidated behind the best organised Right-Wing party.

[EnglishPete]

Violence is never the answer.

WWII.

It would be a good point, through this is more Communist in the late Weimar Republic than the Allies in WWII. Remind me about the great success of the Communist stopping Hitler from gaining power.

Well in that case reality must have a liberal bias, because the violence created by the German communist was major factor in Hitler gaining power.

This is the thing pathetic wannabe thugs like you fail to understand in your smug and ignorant self-righteousness. thug like you are part of the problem, the way you beat violent thugs like you and fascists mirror of you, which you pretend to oppose, are a state with a strong monopoly of force. The victors of WWI had ensured that the Weimar Republic didn't have that, and violent idiots like you ensured that the Right consolidated behind the best organised Right-Wing party.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Well in that case reality must have a liberal bias, because the violence created by the German communist was major factor in Hitler gaining power.

"violence created by the German communists"? It was almost entirely in self-defence against the violence of the SA directed at left-wing communities, both KPD and Social Democratic.

The communist violence that helped Hitler seize power, the Reichstag fire, wasn't even perpetrated by communists communists.

the way you beat violent thugs like you and fascists mirror of you, which you pretend to oppose, are a state with a strong monopoly of force

Uh in early 30's Germany the state was on the side of Nazi violence

[publicunofficial]

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Signs seen in Minneapolis:

[Chief Justice Keef]

Violence is never the answer.

WWII.

It would be a good point, through this is more Communist in the late Weimar Republic than the Allies in WWII. Remind me about the great success of the Communist stopping Hitler from gaining power.

Well in that case reality must have a liberal bias, because the violence created by the German communist was major factor in Hitler gaining power.

This is the thing pathetic wannabe thugs like you fail to understand in your smug and ignorant self-righteousness. thug like you are part of the problem, the way you beat violent thugs like you and fascists mirror of you, which you pretend to oppose, are a state with a strong monopoly of force. The victors of WWI had ensured that the Weimar Republic didn't have that, and violent idiots like you ensured that the Right consolidated behind the best organised Right-Wing party.

Not punching Nazis is how Nazis rose to power. I don't see why you'd try to rationalize with these people when they only care about your suffering.

[Badger]

It wasn't obvious until after they came to power and in particular during the war that the nazis were just as bad as the communists, but by then it was too late. If it hadn't been for far left violence and the Weimar authorities failure to control it then World War Two and all its horrors could have been avoided.

No, chucklefu#*. it was really REALLY obvious to most non-cretins that Hitler was going to be as bad as he was. That is to most non-cretins who rightfully put RIGHT wing violence as the pre-eminent reason Hitler came to power.

All respect to you, but no it was not obvious that Hitler would be anything, but another strongman, he had written a book with very extreme views. But Europe was full of strongmen which had said extreme things. At the same time let's remember that the crimes of USSR was not unknown at the time. So there was a very real fear of USSR in Germany at the time, only made worse by the fact that the Versailles Treaty had weaken the German state's monopoly of force, which had enable the political violence of the Weimar Republic. So there was a demand for a strongman, even if he was a thug like Hitler.

You'll get zero argument from me about the Versailles Treaty's punitiveness laid the groundwork for the rise of a strongman and undermined the Weimar Republic's legitimacy from the start. Other then that, though, with equal respect I firmly disagree.

Because he stated it so much better, I'll simply repost Apathetic Austrian's early comment:

if i as an austria may say something in that area.....

1) the punishment systems for the german countries after the first world accelerated the chance for the second one big scale.

2) every idiot who wanted to know it could have foreseen hitler's risk for the system since he was in prison for trying to OVERTHROW the government

3) a nazi terrorist group killed the austrian catholic-fascist autocrat in 1934.

4) the weimar system fought hard against left-wing/communist revolutionaries but didn't dare to punish right-wing revolutionaries in the same way.

5) hitler never lied about his goals.....which was clear if you read "mein kampf"...he just sugar-coated them in front of his bourgeoisie-industry friends.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Violence is never the answer.

WWII.

It would be a good point, through this is more Communist in the late Weimar Republic than the Allies in WWII. Remind me about the great success of the Communist stopping Hitler from gaining power.

Well in that case reality must have a liberal bias, because the violence created by the German communist was major factor in Hitler gaining power.

This is the thing pathetic wannabe thugs like you fail to understand in your smug and ignorant self-righteousness. thug like you are part of the problem, the way you beat violent thugs like you and fascists mirror of you, which you pretend to oppose, are a state with a strong monopoly of force. The victors of WWI had ensured that the Weimar Republic didn't have that, and violent idiots like you ensured that the Right consolidated behind the best organised Right-Wing party.

Not punching Nazis is how Nazis rose to power. I don't see why you'd try to rationalize with these people when they only care about your suffering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw0GvsfOAZE

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[Badger]

All this said, punching Richard Spencer and his ilk aren't going to solve, or even seriously address the problem. If we set aside the hyperbole, overt neo-Nazis aren't going to take over or even seriously intimidate the body politic like early 30's Germany. We need to be far far more concerned with their sympathizers in high positions whose veneer of respectability insulates them to varying degrees. Assaulting these meaningless peons of the hate movement in anything other than legit self-defense only drags the assaulters and their movement down to the Nazis level, both in an objective moral sense, as well as a subjective judgment of public opinion.

Keep calm and fight racists, but not with violence. It's worse than useless; it's downright counterproductive.

[Klartext89]

Well, this thread, the weekend in Washington and millions of incidents around the globe proof, that the Left wants civil war.

They are total hypocrites, they are the opposite of everything they tell of themself, they are uterly fascists, anti-democracy, they are disgusting human beings who want to kill everyone with an opposing view. That's why they love Islamists that much.

We as Non-Leftists should stop being nice to them. There's no need to tell them how pathetic they are, they already know what they really are.

Of course, as you could see on the plane incident yesterday, moderates and normal people are also standing up against the violent Left, but that's not enough. It's about safety. And safety begins with self-defence.

[publicunofficial]

[Klartext89]

Well in that case reality must have a liberal bias, because the violence created by the German communist was major factor in Hitler gaining power.

"violence created by the German communists"? It was almost entirely in self-defence against the violence of the SA directed at left-wing communities, both KPD and Social Democratic.

The communist violence that helped Hitler seize power, the Reichstag fire, wasn't even perpetrated by communists communists.

the way you beat violent thugs like you and fascists mirror of you, which you pretend to oppose, are a state with a strong monopoly of force

Uh in early 30's Germany the state was on the side of Nazi violence

The Communits were actually as violent as the SA. Stop spreading lies.

[Klartext89]

You like violence?

[publicunofficial]

Love it

[Klartext89]

Love it

Disgusting human being.

[publicunofficial]

Love it

Disgusting human being.

Ditto

[politics_king]

I endorse the punch, it's not the best way to go about it but sometimes people like Spencer don't deserve our attention. I guarantee you even Trump supporters are not with this guys ideology because most Caucasian voters are worried about work not the color of your skin. Anyone who thinks Caucasian people are not getting a fair shake are blind, it's a class issue, the rich keep lining up their pockets with profits and not sharing it with their workers who really put in the work to make these fat-cats richer. If at anytime the economy falls into a recession during Trump's first term, well, Trump can kiss his re-election chances goodbye because most people don't trust him. His business record and persona speaks for itself, Trump is about Trump, it's all about the brand.

[publicunofficial]

Love it

Disgusting human being.

Ditto

I'm sure you're running like Forrest Gump outside the Internet where you are a big boy. Loser.

I don't know how to respond to this because I don't even get the joke.

Also, are we still editing posts that contain personal attacks or does that only apply when posters the mods like get insulted?

[politics_king]

Love it

Disgusting human being.

Ditto

I'm sure you're running like Forrest Gump outside the Internet where you are a big boy. Loser.

I don't know how to respond to this because I don't even get the joke.

Also, are we still editing posts that contain personal attacks or does that only apply when posters the mods like get insulted?

Honey,
You are an Extremist who supports violence and crimes. Stop whining when getting spanked for your childish behaviour. If you want to be a tough guy, then accept the reaction like one. But we both know that you're only tough on the Internet, in real life you wouldn't survive a cat fight.

"Honey" (Sexist remark) This isn't how you should debate. This is where majority of Americans get sick of "identity" politics. Because common people understand it's a complex issue. I don't think anyone in their right mind supports abortion, it's more as if... "Why did you make that bad decision and how can we help from preventing it from happening again."

[EnglishPete]

Violence is never the answer.

WWII.

It would be a good point, through this is more Communist in the late Weimar Republic than the Allies in WWII. Remind me about the great success of the Communist stopping Hitler from gaining power.

Well in that case reality must have a liberal bias, because the violence created by the German communist was major factor in Hitler gaining power.

This is the thing pathetic wannabe thugs like you fail to understand in your smug and ignorant self-righteousness. thug like you are part of the problem, the way you beat violent thugs like you and fascists mirror of you, which you pretend to oppose, are a state with a strong monopoly of force. The victors of WWI had ensured that the Weimar Republic didn't have that, and violent idiots like you ensured that the Right consolidated behind the best organised Right-Wing party.

Not punching Nazis is how Nazis rose to power. I don't see why you'd try to rationalize with these people when they only care about your suffering.

Except that that assumes that the problem with Weimar Germany was a lack of leftists punching Nazis. There was no suck lack. There was a large Communist Party that was an enthusiastic practitioner of street violence and attacking political opponents, breaking up their meetings etc. They had been doing this since before the Nazi party was formed and they physically fought the Nazi party with street violence throughout the Weimar period.

It makes no sense to say "Not punching Nazis is how Nazis rose to power" when there were plenty of left wing activists doing exactly that, probably a lot more than there are in the US today.

[politics_king]

Violence is never the answer.

WWII.

It would be a good point, through this is more Communist in the late Weimar Republic than the Allies in WWII. Remind me about the great success of the Communist stopping Hitler from gaining power.

Well in that case reality must have a liberal bias, because the violence created by the German communist was major factor in Hitler gaining power.

This is the thing pathetic wannabe thugs like you fail to understand in your smug and ignorant self-righteousness. thug like you are part of the problem, the way you beat violent thugs like you and fascists mirror of you, which you pretend to oppose, are a state with a strong monopoly of force. The victors of WWI had ensured that the Weimar Republic didn't have that, and violent idiots like you ensured that the Right consolidated behind the best organised Right-Wing party.

Not punching Nazis is how Nazis rose to power. I don't see why you'd try to rationalize with these people when they only care about your suffering.

Except that that assumes that the problem with Weimar Germany was a lack of leftists punching Nazis. There was no suck lack. There was a large Communist Party that was an enthusiastic practitioner of street violence and attacking political opponents, breaking up their meetings etc. They had been doing this since before the Nazi party was formed and they physically fought the Nazi party with street violence throughout the Weimar period.

It makes no sense to say "Not punching Nazis is how Nazis rose to power" when there were plenty of left wing activists doing exactly that, probably a lot more than there are in the US today.

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So not true, just cause we have the ability to record doesn't mean it's over-bearing. The man that punched that asshole Spencer in his face was us as a country to say, "GTFO!" We don't want to hear that sh**t and people after it happened even try to get the attacker away because they know how it looks publically, but a majority of us were like... "Yeah. I'd do it too." and some others like, "Why didn't he knock him out." The Atlantic video should be enough for us to not give him any platform to promote his bullsh**t. You even hear a woman say, "Would you date a black woman?" after he said Nazi's and KKK members hate him. He looked backed and scoffed but didn't answer her question because we know the answer... He wants a true "white-authoritarian" regime. The minute anyone can catch someone from the Trump Administration with Spencer will be the demise of his run, no one in America wants to see this crap. We've come a long way and that's a fact. Not alternative.

[EnglishPete]

You want to see a genuinely hilarious video of an antifa getting punched? Here a group of antifa are blocking the road, stopping people from getting to work. One man tries to get through, is blocked, spat at and then barges his way through and punches one of them as they move in to attack him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHC-qwXVe7U

Now what's really funny is not the punch itself, its the reaction from the antifa. Firstly they shout at him, whining, and then they start demanding that the police arrest the man (funny kind of anarchists demanding that the police arrest people but there you go) and they end up, without a hint of self awareness chanting "this is what a police state looks like". Its strange, I never heard of a police state where anti-government protestors are allowed to bark orders at police and then chant insults at them for not following those orders. Absolutely hilarious.

[Klartext89]

You want to see a genuinely hilarious video of an antifa getting punched? Here a group of antifa are blocking the road, stopping people from getting to work. One man tries to get through, is blocked, spat at and then barges his way through and punches one of them as they move in to attack him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHC-qwXVe7U

Now what's really funny is not the punch itself, its the reaction from the antifa. Firstly they shout at him, whining, and then they start demanding that the police arrest the man (funny kind of anarchists demanding that the police arrest people but there you go) and they end up, without a hint of self awareness chanting "this is what a police state looks like". Its strange, I never heard of a police state where anti-government protestors are allowed to bark orders at police and then chant insults at them for not following those orders. Absolutely hilarious.

:-D Typical.

Wanna laugh more? https://twitter.com/politoreality/status/823887452997844992

AntiFa is whining about getting rounded up, arrested and hundreds of them are facing ten years in jail now :-D

[politics_king]

You want to see a genuinely hilarious video of an antifa getting punched? Here a group of antifa are blocking the road, stopping people from getting to work. One man tries to get through, is blocked, spat at and then barges his way through and punches one of them as they move in to attack him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHC-qwXVe7U

Now what's really funny is not the punch itself, its the reaction from the antifa. Firstly they shout at him, whining, and then they start demanding that the police arrest the man (funny kind of anarchists demanding that the police arrest people but there you go) and they end up, without a hint of self awareness chanting "this is what a police state looks like". Its strange, I never heard of a police state where anti-government protestors are allowed to bark orders at police and then chant insults at them for not following those orders. Absolutely hilarious.

I've seen this, but at the end of the day... Is this man really promoting eradication of people based on religion, skin color, gender or class status? No. Richard Spencer wants an "Arian" race to rule supreme. Now if you're reading this... You can't tell me you stand with him and if you do... Then I can call you a racist, fascist pig. I can only call what you posted as a total hypocrite and he deserved part of the reaction because he was instigating. Us, as people, who are not on either side of the extreme spectrum need to point out the crap. But Spencer is worse than this idiot. Fact. Not alternative.

[SATW]

Love it

Disgusting human being.

Ditto

I'm sure you're running like Forrest Gump outside the Internet where you are a big boy. Loser.

I don't know how to respond to this because I don't even get the joke.

Also, are we still editing posts that contain personal attacks or does that only apply when posters the mods like get insulted?

Honey,
You are an Extremist who supports violence and crimes. Stop whining when getting spanked for your childish behaviour. If you want to be a tough guy, then accept the reaction like one. But we both know that you're only tough on the Internet, in real life you wouldn't survive a cat fight.

You done being a troll? I don't wish for violence on anyone but I definitely don't feel bad for white supremacist scum like Richard Spencer either. And I got a big laugh out of him getting socked.