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« on: January 21, 2017, 08:50:41 PM »

She'll be the first foreign head of government to meet with Trump since his inauguration:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38707524
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2017, 08:53:30 PM »

Amazing. Hope they start the trade deal talks soon, showing other EU countries leaving it doesn't have to be economically disastrous. Also hoping for more foreign policy cooperation.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2017, 08:54:33 PM »

This is one of the few international relationships that could conceivably go decently under Trump, so fingers crossed.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2017, 08:57:53 PM »

Amazing. Hope they start the trade deal talks soon, showing other EU countries leaving it doesn't have to be economically disastrous. Also hoping for more foreign policy cooperation.

leaving isn't disastrous.

leaving the single market is more or less.

you need to ship your goods way further than necessary.

but well....the alternative of the neo-russian empire is always available.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2017, 10:06:00 PM »

Can only imagine what the meetings would be like between Trump and Corbyn if the latter actually manages to become PM while Trump is president.
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2017, 12:03:23 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2017, 12:34:41 AM »

Can only imagine what the meetings would be like between Trump and Corbyn if the latter actually manages to become PM while Trump is president.


It would be a love fest.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2017, 01:09:30 AM »

Ah, and look what meeting is coming up a few days later:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-politics-idUSKBN1550R0
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2017, 01:19:58 AM »

Amazing. Hope they start the trade deal talks soon, showing other EU countries leaving it doesn't have to be economically disastrous. Also hoping for more foreign policy cooperation.

The UK cannot negotiate a trade deal with anyone while still being a member of the EU. So it won't happen until at least 2019.

And that will show to everyone that leaving the EU is economically disastrous.
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2017, 02:48:07 AM »
« Edited: January 22, 2017, 02:49:40 AM by True Federalist »

Amazing. Hope they start the trade deal talks soon, showing other EU countries leaving it doesn't have to be economically disastrous. Also hoping for more foreign policy cooperation.

The UK cannot negotiate a trade deal with anyone while still being a member of the EU. So it won't happen until at least 2019.

And that will show to everyone that leaving the EU is economically disastrous.

What will the EU do if the UK starts negotiating now?  Throw the UK out of the EU?  While they can't go into effect before the UK leaves, there's no mechanism for penalizing the UK for negotiating ahead of time.
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2017, 02:54:41 AM »

Amazing. Hope they start the trade deal talks soon, showing other EU countries leaving it doesn't have to be economically disastrous. Also hoping for more foreign policy cooperation.

The UK cannot negotiate a trade deal with anyone while still being a member of the EU. So it won't happen until at least 2019.

And that will show to everyone that leaving the EU is economically disastrous.

What will the EU do if the UK starts negotiating now?  Throw the UK out of the EU?  While they can't go into effect before the UK leaves, there's no mechanism for penalizing the UK for negotiating ahead of time.

They can stop all negotiations for as long as the negotiations with the US go, forcing the UK, eventually, to accept whatever ultimatum it is given at the very end of the two-year period, without any time for a counter-proposal.

BTW, herein is another problem: I doubt the UK has enough qualified negotiators for both processes.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2017, 02:57:08 AM »

She'll be the first foreign head of government to meet with Trump since his inauguration:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38707524


I hope her bodyguards are well trained. I'd hate to see US-British relations destroyed by President Pussygrabber's uncontrollable sex drive. Maybe the Secret Service can confiscate his tic-tacs?
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2017, 02:59:38 AM »

She'll be the first foreign head of government to meet with Trump since his inauguration:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38707524


I hope her bodyguards are well trained. I'd hate to see US-British relations destroyed by President Pussygrabber's uncontrollable sex drive. Maybe the Secret Service can confiscate his tic-tacs?

I am sure he can wait till he sees Peņa Nieto on the 31st. They will have pretty rough sex, and EPN will confirm it was consensual.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2017, 03:14:08 AM »

Amazing. Hope they start the trade deal talks soon, showing other EU countries leaving it doesn't have to be economically disastrous. Also hoping for more foreign policy cooperation.

The UK cannot negotiate a trade deal with anyone while still being a member of the EU. So it won't happen until at least 2019.

And that will show to everyone that leaving the EU is economically disastrous.

What will the EU do if the UK starts negotiating now?  Throw the UK out of the EU?  While they can't go into effect before the UK leaves, there's no mechanism for penalizing the UK for negotiating ahead of time.

They can stop all negotiations for as long as the negotiations with the US go, forcing the UK, eventually, to accept whatever ultimatum it is given at the very end of the two-year period, without any time for a counter-proposal.

BTW, herein is another problem: I doubt the UK has enough qualified negotiators for both processes.

That seems to be what the EU plans on doing anyway, punish the UK for daring to leave and thereby keep other countries from doing the same.  If countries can't leave the EU, then perhaps it's time for the US (and other countries) to revive the lesser diplomatic position of envoy and only send an ambassador to the EU and send lower-ranked envoys to the member states thereof.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2017, 03:28:50 AM »

Amazing. Hope they start the trade deal talks soon, showing other EU countries leaving it doesn't have to be economically disastrous. Also hoping for more foreign policy cooperation.

The UK cannot negotiate a trade deal with anyone while still being a member of the EU. So it won't happen until at least 2019.

And that will show to everyone that leaving the EU is economically disastrous.

What will the EU do if the UK starts negotiating now?  Throw the UK out of the EU?  While they can't go into effect before the UK leaves, there's no mechanism for penalizing the UK for negotiating ahead of time.

They can stop all negotiations for as long as the negotiations with the US go, forcing the UK, eventually, to accept whatever ultimatum it is given at the very end of the two-year period, without any time for a counter-proposal.

BTW, herein is another problem: I doubt the UK has enough qualified negotiators for both processes.

That seems to be what the EU plans on doing anyway, punish the UK for daring to leave and thereby keep other countries from doing the same.  If countries can't leave the EU, then perhaps it's time for the US (and other countries) to revive the lesser diplomatic position of envoy and only send an ambassador to the EU and send lower-ranked envoys to the member states thereof.

Oh, the EU will insist on UK leaving. And there will be no punishment. UK will simply adopt all EU rules and regulations wholesale (including those it has opted out from), and commit to adopting an changes EU is going to impose in the future, without participating in making those decisions.  It might take a decade or so to get there, but they will do this absolutely voluntarily: because they will find it worth doing.

And, no, there will be no punishment.
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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2017, 03:44:48 AM »

You badly misread UK sentiment if you think that's the case.  There's no way the UK will agree to the common labor market.  It barely tolerated it once it's outside of the EU.  Similarly, the UK would be a fool to join in the common agricultural policy once it's exited the EU.  Economically, the UK might benefit it it did as you think it will, but history shows that all too often people, companies, and countries don't act in their own best economic interests because of a wide variety of reasons.  I don't think the UK (assuming it remains united) will do as you think it will and the resulting economic pain will be seen as a result of the EU punishing the UK for being uppity. That feeling will make UK acceding to EU rules even less likely, not more.
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2017, 04:24:02 AM »
« Edited: January 22, 2017, 04:25:52 AM by ag »

You badly misread UK sentiment if you think that's the case.  There's no way the UK will agree to the common labor market.  It barely tolerated it once it's outside of the EU.  Similarly, the UK would be a fool to join in the common agricultural policy once it's exited the EU.  Economically, the UK might benefit it it did as you think it will, but history shows that all too often people, companies, and countries don't act in their own best economic interests because of a wide variety of reasons.  I don't think the UK (assuming it remains united) will do as you think it will and the resulting economic pain will be seen as a result of the EU punishing the UK for being uppity. That feeling will make UK acceding to EU rules even less likely, not more.

Oh, sure, there is that sentiment. It will pass, though, once the common labour market means that unemployed Brits get access to the jobs on the continent. Once the stories of poor English deportees, who merely wanted to work as home attendants in Spain or Scotland, start dominating the press, it will not take long for that sentiment to change. They will think it is an incredible achievement that the are allowed to get in. It will not happen at once, but it will certainly happen by, say, 2035.

Assuming, of course, we survive the next 10 years as a civilisation.
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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2017, 04:32:00 AM »

Once the stories of poor English deportees, who merely wanted to work as home attendants in Spain or Scotland, start dominating the press, it will not take long for that sentiment to change.

What's 'the press' grandad? You mean the internet?
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2017, 05:13:44 AM »

ag,you missed your calling.  You really should have been a comedian.  Yes, there will be economic pain in the UK, but the idea that they'll be desperate to join the EE (European Empire) as a result is ludicrous.  If nothing else, it'll be easier for any excess labor to come to the US than the EE and I doubt we'll be any tougher on illegal English immigrants than we have been on illegal Irish immigrants in the past.
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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2017, 05:24:12 AM »

She'll be the first foreign head of government to meet with Trump since his inauguration:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38707524


I hope her bodyguards are well trained. I'd hate to see US-British relations destroyed by President Pussygrabber's uncontrollable sex drive. Maybe the Secret Service can confiscate his tic-tacs?

Nah she's too old.  Look at that face.  She looks worse than Carly Fiorina.
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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2017, 05:38:27 AM »

ag,you missed your calling.  You really should have been a comedian.  Yes, there will be economic pain in the UK, but the idea that they'll be desperate to join the EE (European Empire) as a result is ludicrous.  If nothing else, it'll be easier for any excess labor to come to the US than the EE and I doubt we'll be any tougher on illegal English immigrants than we have been on illegal Irish immigrants in the past.

The notion that the UK is without options at this juncture ignores the "new" reality. The UK has far more cards to play than the the EU and all of the EU's expose it to engaging in the very behavior that nationalists accuse them of.

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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2017, 07:16:01 AM »

It would be interesting to know if anyone has quantified the economic detriment to the UK of not being in the EU comment market, versus the economic benefit to the UK of becoming part of a US common market. It having a clue as to what the data is, as a guess it would seem to me that it might be close to a wash.
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2017, 10:34:49 AM »

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38710697

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2017, 10:48:48 AM »

ag,you missed your calling.  You really should have been a comedian.  Yes, there will be economic pain in the UK, but the idea that they'll be desperate to join the EE (European Empire) as a result is ludicrous.  If nothing else, it'll be easier for any excess labor to come to the US than the EE and I doubt we'll be any tougher on illegal English immigrants than we have been on illegal Irish immigrants in the past.

The real barrier to any deal is that it would probably require the UK to liberalize its pharmaceutical pricing regime, which would vastly increase the costs of the NHS.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2017, 10:49:28 AM »

It would be interesting to know if anyone has quantified the economic detriment to the UK of not being in the EU comment market, versus the economic benefit to the UK of becoming part of a US common market. It having a clue as to what the data is, as a guess it would seem to me that it might be close to a wash.

Will the UK have any say in the rules of this 'US common market'?
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