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« on: January 23, 2017, 11:32:02 PM »
« edited: January 24, 2017, 02:02:13 AM by JJC »

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I can't think of anything more likely to get bipartisan support than re-negotiating America's awful trade deals. Really good politics too. The Trump team made a good decision starting with trade first.
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2017, 11:33:26 PM »

China must be pleased indeed. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2017, 11:39:04 PM »

Trump continues to do the bidding of our enemies.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2017, 11:40:16 PM »

Sanders should ask why POTUS hasn't withdrawn from WTO or any other trade deals if he's serious about this issue.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2017, 11:42:25 PM »

He, Hillary, and Bernie were all against it. I think even Ted Cruz was against it. Even if Obama had somehow won a third term, it wouldn't have gotten through Congress. So... this is the most unsurprising news ever.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2017, 11:45:54 PM »

He, Hillary, and Bernie were all against it. I think even Ted Cruz was against it. Even if Obama had somehow won a third term, it wouldn't have gotten through Congress. So... this is the most unsurprising news ever.

Oh come on, Hillary called it the gold standard repeatedly.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2017, 11:51:40 PM »

He, Hillary, and Bernie were all against it. I think even Ted Cruz was against it. Even if Obama had somehow won a third term, it wouldn't have gotten through Congress. So... this is the most unsurprising news ever.

Oh come on, Hillary called it the gold standard repeatedly.

Sure, as a federal employee her job was to push the president's priorities. Once she had an independent platform, she came out against it. As I'm sure you know.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2017, 12:03:40 AM »

Good Job!
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2017, 12:06:53 AM »

I haven't cared about TPP in over a year, it was clearly never going to be a thing.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2017, 12:10:10 AM »

He, Hillary, and Bernie were all against it. I think even Ted Cruz was against it. Even if Obama had somehow won a third term, it wouldn't have gotten through Congress. So... this is the most unsurprising news ever.

Oh come on, Hillary called it the gold standard repeatedly.

Sure, as a federal employee her job was to push the president's priorities. Once she had an independent platform, she came out against it. As I'm sure you know.

Her 2014 "Hard Choices" book supports it. And she has a prior record of privately supporting trade deals she publicly opposes.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2017, 12:11:02 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2017, 12:13:39 AM »

Any chance he does the same with TTIP? I'd much prefer if TTIP failed because of European opposition, but that would require European leaders to have a spine.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2017, 12:16:42 AM »

Hopefully Trump shows how dumb protectionism is.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2017, 12:16:55 AM »

He, Hillary, and Bernie were all against it. I think even Ted Cruz was against it. Even if Obama had somehow won a third term, it wouldn't have gotten through Congress. So... this is the most unsurprising news ever.

Oh come on, Hillary called it the gold standard repeatedly.

Sure, as a federal employee her job was to push the president's priorities. Once she had an independent platform, she came out against it. As I'm sure you know.

Her 2014 "Hard Choices" book supports it. And she has a prior record of privately supporting trade deals she publicly opposes.

She said she would reserve judgement in Hard Choices because the deal wasn't finalized. Regardless, she took a clear position against it and would have tanked it post-election.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2017, 01:06:01 AM »

^ She came out against it just a week before the 1st dem debate (i.e. just before she would have to defend it). That timing just screams "I'm Scared to defend my beliefs!!!!!"
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2017, 01:08:49 AM »

Excellent
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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2017, 01:13:17 AM »

Hopefully Trump shows how dumb protectionism is.

I don't want to see an actively protectionist US, but the TPP was awful from start to its well-earned end.

And while I don't like Trump a bit, credit where credit is due: I'm damned glad to see this thing die, and I was not confident Clinton would have put a stake through its heart. (Now to see if Trump starts trying to raise it from the dead the same way I  expect she would have, and whether it looks any better. No secret negotiations would be a positive start.)
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2017, 02:25:55 AM »

Nooooo!

Now i have to pay customs import duty on my vintage Fender purchases.
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2017, 02:30:40 AM »

Any chance he does the same with TTIP? I'd much prefer if TTIP failed because of European opposition, but that would require European leaders to have a spine.

Van der Bellen has said he won't sign TTIP.
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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2017, 02:40:47 AM »

Any chance he does the same with TTIP? I'd much prefer if TTIP failed because of European opposition, but that would require European leaders to have a spine.

TISA is the worst of the 3.
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2017, 02:41:50 AM »

He, Hillary, and Bernie were all against it. I think even Ted Cruz was against it. Even if Obama had somehow won a third term, it wouldn't have gotten through Congress. So... this is the most unsurprising news ever.

Oh come on, Hillary called it the gold standard repeatedly.

Sure, as a federal employee her job was to push the president's priorities. Once she had an independent platform, she came out against it. As I'm sure you know.

Her 2014 "Hard Choices" book supports it. And she has a prior record of privately supporting trade deals she publicly opposes.

She said she would reserve judgement in Hard Choices because the deal wasn't finalized. Regardless, she took a clear position against it and would have tanked it post-election.

Like she took a clear position against the trade agreement with Panama and Columbia while working to secure its passage?
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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2017, 02:58:56 AM »

He, Hillary, and Bernie were all against it. I think even Ted Cruz was against it. Even if Obama had somehow won a third term, it wouldn't have gotten through Congress. So... this is the most unsurprising news ever.

Oh come on, Hillary called it the gold standard repeatedly.

Sure, as a federal employee her job was to push the president's priorities. Once she had an independent platform, she came out against it. As I'm sure you know.

Her 2014 "Hard Choices" book supports it. And she has a prior record of privately supporting trade deals she publicly opposes.

She said she would reserve judgement in Hard Choices because the deal wasn't finalized. Regardless, she took a clear position against it and would have tanked it post-election.

Like she took a clear position against the trade agreement with Panama and Columbia while working to secure its passage?

Hillary Clinton is, for all intents and purposes, dead. Move on dude.
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2017, 05:21:33 AM »

I haven't cared about TPP in over a year, it was clearly never going to be a thing.

No they did. I think Hillary would've signed it into law eventually because she negotiated a "great deal'. She's a neo-liberal (neo-conservative but on the other side on social issues). I don't think TPP is the worst thing ever either, because having access to trade with Japan and Vietnam would help against China and their manipulation of the markets. Most economic experts see what China is doing, build to just build, be damned if people are there. Just look at "Ghost Cities" in China, it's a real thing. China created a bubble, once it pops and that may take a long time, it benefits us in the long run. But being a complete protectionist of our interests doesn't help because we haven't gotten ourselves out of the debt-hole we've created. Like any responsible person, if your debt is high, eventually we need to pay it off, the ones we can before we can't get massive debt resolved.
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2017, 09:49:24 AM »

Hopefully Trump shows how dumb protectionism is.

I don't want to see an actively protectionist US, but the TPP was awful from start to its well-earned end.

And while I don't like Trump a bit, credit where credit is due: I'm damned glad to see this thing die, and I was not confident Clinton would have put a stake through its heart. (Now to see if Trump starts trying to raise it from the dead the same way I  expect she would have, and whether it looks any better. No secret negotiations would be a positive start.)

My understanding is the Trump vision is multiple bilateral deals rather than a big regional accord. There'll still be FTAs just tailored country by country
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2017, 10:14:20 AM »

TTP is a thing.....

china, australia, mexico are pushing.

US can do whatever they want. Wink
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