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« on: January 24, 2017, 05:08:12 PM »

Globalization was centrist. It has been driven by an alliance between the center left and the center right. Globalist organizations support free flows of capital, privatization and de-regulation of the banks, but they also support environment, human rights, minorities' rights. Bill Clinton and Tony Blair were the leaders of the globalization in the 1990s. Center left and center right parties in the EU were pro-globalization. George Soros was a big symbol of the globalization. The most pro EU parties in the European Parliament are the groups of social democratic and christian democratic parties. Far left and far right parties are euro skeptikal.
Globalization has opponents in the far left and in the far right. Inside the far left, we can observe Latin American leaders like Hugo Chávez, Evo Morales and Rafael Correa, anti-globalization protests (like the ones in Seattle 1999), the World Social Forum (started in Porto Alegre in 2001), Bernie Sanders, and the left-wing of Syriza in Greece, who tried a leftist Grexit. In the far right, we can observe the nationalist wing of the Republican Party in the USA, and the far right parties in Europe.

Do you think that, in the next years, the far left and the far right can work together? Putin has close ties to far left and to far right leaders. Russian philosopher Alexander Duguin supports a nationalist far left far right alliance. Zizek considered that between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, Trump was the lesser of the two evils...

The last far left far right alliance was signed in 1939, the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. It survived fewer than two years.
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2017, 06:53:26 PM »

Globalization was centrist. It has been driven by an alliance between the center left and the center right. Globalist organizations support free flows of capital, privatization and de-regulation of the banks, but they also support environment, human rights, minorities' rights. Bill Clinton and Tony Blair were the leaders of the globalization in the 1990s. Center left and center right parties in the EU were pro-globalization. George Soros was a big symbol of the globalization. The most pro EU parties in the European Parliament are the groups of social democratic and christian democratic parties. Far left and far right parties are euro skeptikal.
Globalization has opponents in the far left and in the far right. Inside the far left, we can observe Latin American leaders like Hugo Chávez, Evo Morales and Rafael Correa, anti-globalization protests (like the ones in Seattle 1999), the World Social Forum (started in Porto Alegre in 2001), Bernie Sanders, and the left-wing of Syriza in Greece, who tried a leftist Grexit. In the far right, we can observe the nationalist wing of the Republican Party in the USA, and the far right parties in Europe.

Do you think that, in the next years, the far left and the far right can work together? Putin has close ties to far left and to far right leaders. Russian philosopher Alexander Duguin supports a nationalist far left far right alliance. Zizek considered that between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, Trump was the lesser of the two evils...

The last far left far right alliance was signed in 1939, the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. It survived fewer than two years.

I think that is going to be a major scenario in the near future. Especially between Drumpf and Putin.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2017, 07:18:47 PM »

Syriza and Anel managed to form a coalition, however it should be noted that neither one has a bloody Utopian endgame, which makes establishing trust lot easier.

In addition to the "utopian" impediment, there is also too much conspiratorialism to make a meaningful alliance. How are communists supposed to reach out if everybody who is not a Marxist is secretly an agent of the ruling class? What if you believe all communists are Jewish puppets?

In conclusion cooperation is possible, as long as the "far right" is not imperialistic, and the "far left" is not dominated by revolutionary Marxists, of which there is very little chance of happening.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2017, 11:57:40 PM »

I don't know, the scenarios implied by that question are too complicated for the question to be answered confidently.

What I do know is I've watched the far right part of the Alt Right basically mimic the far left's tactics and even explicitly say this is what they are doing. It's a little interesting, but not that interesting. It creates an association between the two in my mind at least, although that's not a solid basis from which to say the two might soon be cooperating.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2017, 12:10:40 AM »

What you describe refers to an alliance of the world's illiberal forces against what it believes to be the liberal hierarchy. A universal illiberal alliance is doomed because the illiberal forces of the Middle East are despised by right-illiberals in Europe and the United States. A more contained "illiberal alliance" within the Eurosphere might be workable for a few brief moments; it would ultimately collapse for reasons similar to that of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact's collapse.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2017, 06:27:41 AM »

Globalization was centrist. It has been driven by an alliance between the center left and the center right. Globalist organizations support free flows of capital, privatization and de-regulation of the banks, but they also support environment, human rights, minorities' rights. Bill Clinton and Tony Blair were the leaders of the globalization in the 1990s. Center left and center right parties in the EU were pro-globalization. George Soros was a big symbol of the globalization. The most pro EU parties in the European Parliament are the groups of social democratic and christian democratic parties. Far left and far right parties are euro skeptikal.
Globalization has opponents in the far left and in the far right. Inside the far left, we can observe Latin American leaders like Hugo Chávez, Evo Morales and Rafael Correa, anti-globalization protests (like the ones in Seattle 1999), the World Social Forum (started in Porto Alegre in 2001), Bernie Sanders, and the left-wing of Syriza in Greece, who tried a leftist Grexit. In the far right, we can observe the nationalist wing of the Republican Party in the USA, and the far right parties in Europe.

Do you think that, in the next years, the far left and the far right can work together? Putin has close ties to far left and to far right leaders. Russian philosopher Alexander Duguin supports a nationalist far left far right alliance. Zizek considered that between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, Trump was the lesser of the two evils...

The last far left far right alliance was signed in 1939, the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. It survived fewer than two years.

I think that is going to be a major scenario in the near future. Especially between Drumpf and Putin.

Both Trump and Putin are generally conservative.
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2017, 06:51:22 AM »

What you describe refers to an alliance of the world's illiberal forces against what it believes to be the liberal hierarchy. A universal illiberal alliance is doomed because the illiberal forces of the Middle East are despised by right-illiberals in Europe and the United States. A more contained "illiberal alliance" within the Eurosphere might be workable for a few brief moments; it would ultimately collapse for reasons similar to that of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact's collapse.

Even then, some leftists have have bought into crucial parts of the liberal narrative, which would make cooperation near impossible. You can see trade union leaders or old school communists/socialists making a deal on immigration for example, but the SJW portion of the left seems quite committed to free movement and the right to immigrate.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2017, 12:08:50 PM »

     Considering that far-left groups struggle to even coordinate effectively with other far-left groups, I strongly doubt they will ever coordinate with far-right groups.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2017, 02:03:47 AM »

No, because xenophobia is not something we should compromise on.

That said, there has to be a way to speak to people's fears about both economic and cultural change without sinking into xenophobia, and the left ought to work on that.

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2017, 11:12:40 AM »

depends on what you mean by "far left".

the next italien coalition could be quite...something.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2017, 04:03:50 PM »

If the far-right embraces populist economics and the far-left becomes comfortable with openly despising certain minority groups (Jews chief among them), it could happen and is probably the biggest threat to world peace.

There's only been one true populist fascist regime in human history (as opposed to the more conventional military fascist regime). I'll give you one guess what it was and what it did.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2017, 06:04:27 PM »

An alignment between the "far left" and "far right" in the coming years is certainly possible, but its probably better to describe it as an issue realignment than some sort of "alliance" between ideologically opposed alternatives.

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2017, 06:12:53 PM »

An alignment between the "far left" and "far right" in the coming years is certainly possible, but its probably better to describe it as an issue realignment than some sort of "alliance" between ideologically opposed alternatives.

Yeah, this. It's theoretically possible that at some point down the line globalization vs. anti-globalization will become the main political divide, but becasue of that the terms "right" and "left" will mean different things than they do now.
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2017, 06:13:37 PM »

If the far-right embraces populist economics and the far-left becomes comfortable with openly despising certain minority groups (Jews chief among them), it could happen and is probably the biggest threat to world peace.

There's only been one true populist fascist regime in human history (as opposed to the more conventional military fascist regime). I'll give you one guess what it was and what it did.

Nope. As soon as he got into power he backstabbed the Strasserist faction and dispelled any sort of pro worker sympathies. I hate to parrot Communists who accuse everybody of being puppets of the ruling class, but Hitler was very much beholden to industrialists.
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2017, 06:35:07 PM »

The far left and far right have been cooperating for the past year and a half (see: Wikileaks, Glenn Greenwald). Although it's mostly been the far left being cucks for the far right. The latter just uses the former's rhetoric and efforts to get into power.
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2017, 09:09:55 PM »

If the far-right embraces populist economics and the far-left becomes comfortable with openly despising certain minority groups (Jews chief among them), it could happen and is probably the biggest threat to world peace.

There's only been one true populist fascist regime in human history (as opposed to the more conventional military fascist regime). I'll give you one guess what it was and what it did.

Are we talking about Gregor Strasser and Ernst Röhm?
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2017, 09:24:59 PM »

Ok this is stupid, and not happening.
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2017, 11:27:33 PM »

Isn't this basically George Galloway's Respect?
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