Trump threatens to "send in feds" to Chicago

[Hnv1]

Who exactly are these feds? US Army? Nationalize the ILNG?

[GlobeSoc]

Who exactly are these feds? US Army? Nationalize the ILNG?

Probably starting with the ILNG via executive action and then the army once he has strongarmed congress.

[ag]

Reading the responses on here by Trump supporters, all i can conclude is they are full on gunning for some sort of race war

It's like reading posts out of Stormfront

Yes, of course. They want blood. They want murder: as long as they are on the side of the murderers.

Anybody, who does not openly disassociate him- or herself from that monster gang will be badly tainted for the rest of their lives. I am calling on the decent Republicans (and there are, still, some around here): get out, while it is not, yet, too late! Get out, before you become enmeshed into whatever horrors these people will do!

[RINO Tom]

That's an insane thing to say, not to undermine the absolute shltshow Chicago has become crime-wise.

I agree.  If you had agreed with Trump (I know you're not likely to do that) I was gonna have to call you a "glorified Iowan".  

Well, I live in Iowa.   (On a side note, it is HILARIOUS to see the change in tone regarding Iowa with some red avatars on this site ... in 2012, it was an educated, enlightened state of White liberals that wouldn't succumb to the DUMBNESS of the GOP, and now it is this northern extension of Missouri and a wasteland of *WORKING CLASS WHITES,* which is hilarious given the huge percent of people with a college education here.)

Anywho, RE: ag, I have never bought into that bullshlt.  There are tens of millions of people in the Republican Party.  I do not believe JFK was complicit in the racism of the Southern Democrats, for example, because he largely stood up to them.  Similarly, a Republican who is a Republican for any number of reasons but still stands up to the elements of his or her party that he finds repulsive - ya know, actually doing something to try to undermine their influence in the party - is not "guilty" of anything.

[ag]

That's an insane thing to say, not to undermine the absolute shltshow Chicago has become crime-wise.

I agree.  If you had agreed with Trump (I know you're not likely to do that) I was gonna have to call you a "glorified Iowan".  

Well, I live in Iowa.   (On a side note, it is HILARIOUS to see the change in tone regarding Iowa with some red avatars on this site ... in 2012, it was an educated, enlightened state of White liberals that wouldn't succumb to the DUMBNESS of the GOP, and now it is this northern extension of Missouri and a wasteland of *WORKING CLASS WHITES,* which is hilarious given the huge percent of people with a college education here.)

Anywho, RE: ag, I have never bought into that bullshlt.  There are tens of millions of people in the Republican Party.  I do not believe JFK was complicit in the racism of the Southern Democrats, for example, because he largely stood up to them.  Similarly, a Republican who is a Republican for any number of reasons but still stands up to the elements of his or her party that he finds repulsive - ya know, actually doing something to try to undermine their influence in the party - is not "guilty" of anything.

JFK was the leader of his party. Dems never nominated a proper southerner, and, starting in 1928 the party as a whole turned decisively in the right direction here: the southern wing was impotent outside the Senate.

The leader of the party you still adhere to is Donald Trump.

Party affiliation is not something you have to keep for life. There is no virtue in party loyalty that puts a party ahead of the country and the world. When and if the sane people recover the leadership of the GOP, you will have every right and reason to go back. But today being a Republican is not a defensible proposition for a decent person. Get out, while it is not too late.

Chirchill changed parties twice. He was no lesser man for that.

[Bojack Horseman]

I'm scared to think about what a race war would even look like.

[Xing]

These past five days have been horrific. Are we past the point where we still need to give this schmuck a chance yet? He's already way out of control, and it's clear that Republicans in Congress have no interest in being even a slight check on him.

[EnglishPete]

"And the mob threatened and cursed, but the mob retreated because it had met the one thing that could stop it: force, rooted in justice, and backed by moral courage."

Mob didn't retreat last time.

That's because instead of facing force rooted in justice and backed by moral courage the mob faced official complicity rooted in moral corruption. As I quoted above

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[JJC]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-if-trump-sends-feds-to-chicago-what-would-they-do/article/2612904?custom_click=rss

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[ApatheticAustrian]

cops and paperwork...eternal enemies?

that point seems absurd.

[DrScholl]

Usurping local control is unacceptable and in Trump's case, it's political. The whole voting fraud thing came up again and then this came up, which I don't think is a coincidence.

[Vcrew192]

These past five days have been horrific. Are we past the point where we still need to give this schmuck a chance yet? He's already way out of control, and it's clear that Republicans in Congress have no interest in being even a slight check on him.

Seeing as how he is going to be your president for the next for years, it would be beneficial to your "cause" to try and find as much common ground as possible.

[DrScholl]

These past five days have been horrific. Are we past the point where we still need to give this schmuck a chance yet? He's already way out of control, and it's clear that Republicans in Congress have no interest in being even a slight check on him.

Seeing as how he is going to be your president for the next for years, it would be beneficial to your "cause" to try and find as much common ground as possible.

Four years, not for.

[publicunofficial]

These past five days have been horrific. Are we past the point where we still need to give this schmuck a chance yet? He's already way out of control, and it's clear that Republicans in Congress have no interest in being even a slight check on him.

Seeing as how he is going to be your president for the next for years, it would be beneficial to your "cause" to try and find as much common ground as possible.

Rather my lips be cold and dead than warmed by the heat of Trump's asshole.

[Vcrew192]

Usurping local control is unacceptable and in Trump's case, it's political. The whole voting fraud thing came up again and then this came up, which I don't think is a coincidence.

What does voter fraud have to do with murder in Chicago?

Also usurping local control is necessary when the local and state government are just as ineffectual and downright criminal as they city they are presiding over.

Since 1972, Chicago has prosecuted 30 alderman, 4 governors and a number of city clerks. The Springfield machine has been in a budget stalemate for close to two years because Mike Madigan refuses to put a bill on the floor because he would lose the $107,000 paycheck he receives every year from the Chicago teacher's union. And he can never be voted out because he gerrymanders his district, and that of his colleagues, to ensure their majority. And none of this can ever by prosecuted because the state Attorney General is his daughter Lisa Madigan.

I am a huge proponent of state and local government but I'm also a concerned Illinois citizen who is fed up with the Springfield circlejerk. If Trump thinks he can help without declaring martial law then I'm all for it.

[Vcrew192]

These past five days have been horrific. Are we past the point where we still need to give this schmuck a chance yet? He's already way out of control, and it's clear that Republicans in Congress have no interest in being even a slight check on him.

Seeing as how he is going to be your president for the next for years, it would be beneficial to your "cause" to try and find as much common ground as possible.

Four years, not for.

My mistake.

[DrScholl]

Usurping local control is unacceptable and in Trump's case, it's political. The whole voting fraud thing came up again and then this came up, which I don't think is a coincidence.

What does voter fraud have to do with murder in Chicago?

Also usurping local control is necessary when the local and state government are just as ineffectual and downright criminal as they city they are presiding over.

Since 1972, Chicago has prosecuted 30 alderman, 4 governors and a number of city clerks. The Springfield machine has been in a budget stalemate for close to two years because Mike Madigan refuses to put a bill on the floor because he would lose the $107,000 paycheck he receives every year from the Chicago teacher's union. And he can never be voted out because he gerrymanders his district, and that of his colleagues, to ensure their majority. And none of this can ever by prosecuted because the state Attorney General is his daughter Lisa Madigan.

I am a huge proponent of state and local government but I'm also a concerned Illinois citizen who is fed up with the Springfield circlejerk. If Trump thinks he can help without declaring martial law then I'm all for it.

Trump is not beneath using his authority to keep urban areas from voting under the guise of public safety. It's interesting that he is threatening to send the federal authorities into a city the heavily voted against him after again declaring that there were millions of illegal votes.

[publicunofficial]

It honestly feels like everything Republicans know about America's inner cities, they learned from watching old Charles Bronson films.

[Vcrew192]

Usurping local control is unacceptable and in Trump's case, it's political. The whole voting fraud thing came up again and then this came up, which I don't think is a coincidence.

What does voter fraud have to do with murder in Chicago?

Also usurping local control is necessary when the local and state government are just as ineffectual and downright criminal as they city they are presiding over.

Since 1972, Chicago has prosecuted 30 alderman, 4 governors and a number of city clerks. The Springfield machine has been in a budget stalemate for close to two years because Mike Madigan refuses to put a bill on the floor because he would lose the $107,000 paycheck he receives every year from the Chicago teacher's union. And he can never be voted out because he gerrymanders his district, and that of his colleagues, to ensure their majority. And none of this can ever by prosecuted because the state Attorney General is his daughter Lisa Madigan.

I am a huge proponent of state and local government but I'm also a concerned Illinois citizen who is fed up with the Springfield circlejerk. If Trump thinks he can help without declaring martial law then I'm all for it.

Trump is not beneath using his authority to keep urban areas from voting under the guise of public safety. It's interesting that he is threatening to send the federal authorities into a city the heavily voted against him after again declaring that there were millions of illegal votes.

It should be "Trump is not above using his..."

Regardless, I think it's a little premature to start accusing Trump of voter suppression for offering federal assistance in lowering crime rates.

[Storebought]

This actually comes as no surprise to me. I anticipated some sort of martial law being declared in Chicago by a Trump administration. In fact, I think Trump and his supporters would in their heart-of-hearts see Chicago transformed the way Grozny and Aleppo have been.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

These past five days have been horrific. Are we past the point where we still need to give this schmuck a chance yet? He's already way out of control, and it's clear that Republicans in Congress have no interest in being even a slight check on him.

I think we should give him a length of rope and let him do the rest. Really, that's what's happening right now. The only real question is whether the GOP will get rid of him the right way, via impeachment or threat of it, or if they're so bloated with blind spineless ignorant greedbags that it'll be done the wrong way and maim our democracy in the process. Or it'll fail, and so will the US as a free country.

[DrScholl]

Usurping local control is unacceptable and in Trump's case, it's political. The whole voting fraud thing came up again and then this came up, which I don't think is a coincidence.

What does voter fraud have to do with murder in Chicago?

Also usurping local control is necessary when the local and state government are just as ineffectual and downright criminal as they city they are presiding over.

Since 1972, Chicago has prosecuted 30 alderman, 4 governors and a number of city clerks. The Springfield machine has been in a budget stalemate for close to two years because Mike Madigan refuses to put a bill on the floor because he would lose the $107,000 paycheck he receives every year from the Chicago teacher's union. And he can never be voted out because he gerrymanders his district, and that of his colleagues, to ensure their majority. And none of this can ever by prosecuted because the state Attorney General is his daughter Lisa Madigan.

I am a huge proponent of state and local government but I'm also a concerned Illinois citizen who is fed up with the Springfield circlejerk. If Trump thinks he can help without declaring martial law then I'm all for it.

Trump is not beneath using his authority to keep urban areas from voting under the guise of public safety. It's interesting that he is threatening to send the federal authorities into a city the heavily voted against him after again declaring that there were millions of illegal votes.

It should be "Trump is not above using his..."

Regardless, I think it's a little premature to start accusing Trump of voter suppression for offering federal assistance in lowering crime rates.

It's not premature at all. He's already calling for an investigation into fraud that he has no evidence for.

[President Johnson]

I would say Trump lost his mind, but not sure whether he ever had a sane mind.

Without having read the entire discussion, but as far as I remember this (martial law) can only happen with congressional approval. No way this gets through.

[dead0man]

How long? What if people start dying there?

start?

[Mr. Reactionary]

I would say Trump lost his mind, but not sure whether he ever had a sane mind.

Without having read the entire discussion, but as far as I remember this (martial law) can only happen with congressional approval. No way this gets through.

Of course not; it violates Posse commitatus. But since when has that stopped the chicken little critics. It must be exhausting switching between "OMG Trump said this thing and if you construe it hyper literally it sounds bad. We should trust him to do this bad thing." And "OMG it doesn't matter what Trump says. We can't trust him when he says he wont do the bad thing." I mean Obama "sent feds" to investigate a parade float in Nebraska. "Sending feds" does not have to mean the absolute worse interpretation possible. Doing what you fear is unconstitutional. It won't happen and no amount of Bill Maher level fear mongering about "muh Trump is uh Nazi Fascist and will genocide everyone" will change that.