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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2017, 03:22:27 PM »

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Nah. Once Trump is done sending in the Feds to clear up the inner cities in these states then they'll be voting republcian statewide for decades to come.
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2017, 03:25:43 PM »

Not so sure that White youth alone will push the total share of White voters the democrats receive to 40+. Hillary Clinton only received 43% of White youth (18-29 year olds according to CNN exit polling) and that occurred during a presidential year. As young Whites get older they will trend Republican.

A certain percentage of people typically become more conservative as they get older and this will definitely be the case for the White youth.

Actually I'd say there is more than enough proof to show that people do not definitively trend conservative as they grow older (not to mention 'conservative' might not mean exactly the same things 30-40 years into the future). It's not a rule of life. And even if they did, that doesn't mean they automatically become Republicans. The composition of the electorate state-by-state, historically, does not support this idea. What studies and data do seem to support is partisan identities embedded at a young age and becoming resistant to change over time, save for big realigning events.

Honestly, I'm somewhat convinced this idea persists because older people right now are so Republican/conservative, and many assume it's always been that way. In reality they are simply products of their generations, which were positively influenced by years of cultural/economic events and well-received GOP administrations and the failures of the Democratic Party.

As for what I said about white youth - right now it isn't enough, but as they grow older it'll balance things out, assuming the youth that follows them isn't dramatically less Democratic, which I don't personally believe will be the case but, we'll see.

They will almost certainly be much more culturally conservative as a result of college campuses and people like Milo and Shapiro.

Look at the CNN exit polls in Missouri, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota. The 18-24 year olds were considerably more conservative than the 25-29 year olds were in each of these states. In some cases the disparity was so great that it was likely 18-20 year olds within that bracket that was skewing the entire bracket conservative.

Democrats are really screwing themselves with White youth because of the SJW nonsense. Obama wasn't afraid to speak out against the college campus environments that try to strangle free speech. In fact he spoke out multiple times.

If the Democrats don't have any leader to stand up to this element within their Party or worse, if they perpetuate it, then the upcoming White youth will be consoderably more conservative as a backlash.

I would say Hillary 20-50 point wins among the 18-24 demographic in other states like IL, FL, CA, GA, TX, AZ, NC and VA are much more concerning to Republicans than Democrats barely breaking even or narrowly losing the 18-24 demo in those Midwestern states. Not to mention, the former are growing, the latter are shrinking. So I'd say that alt-Rightism is probably much more toxic than SJWism is in the long run. I guess Republicans could see if they can actually wittle themselves down to 3-4 seats in California if they wanted to at this rate.

The alt-right has much smaller numbers.  There also aren't any alt-right professors indoctrinating students.
Maybe there will be Alt-Right universities in the near future. Basically the next generation of Regent, Ave Maria, Bob Jones, and Liberty?
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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2017, 03:28:44 PM »

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Doubtful. Mainstream Christianity is too pro Israel and Jew friendly for the alt right's taste.
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2017, 03:29:26 PM »

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Nah. Once Trump is done sending in the Feds to clear up the inner cities in these states then they'll be voting republcian statewide for decades to come.

Um where are the people in the city going?
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2017, 03:32:18 PM »

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Nah. Once Trump is done sending in the Feds to clear up the inner cities in these states then they'll be voting republcian statewide for decades to come.

Um where are the people in the city going?

The gangbangers will either be dead or meet their maker.

The good upstanding citizens will be thankful for the Trump adminstration and you'll see these cities start voting more Republican as an act of gratitude.

Once republicans take the rural and city communities the only place Social Justic Democrats will have left to go is Vermont and the Msnbc commissary.
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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2017, 03:35:51 PM »

More than likely. If current trends don't change, politics might become openly race-based within the next 50 years.
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2017, 03:38:36 PM »

More than likely. If current trends don't change, politics might become openly race-based within the next 50 years.

Genocide and/or Balkanization will happen when that takes place.
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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2017, 05:12:13 PM »

Can we dispel the myth that SJWs are solely a Democratic problem? There's also right-wing SJWs. You know, the kind who insist it's "enahnced interrogation" not torture. The ones who are homophobic who call themselves "pro-family". You get the point.
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2017, 05:30:09 PM »

Can we dispel the myth that SJWs are solely a Democratic problem? There's also right-wing SJWs. You know, the kind who insist it's "enahnced interrogation" not torture. The ones who are homophobic who call themselves "pro-family". You get the point.

Right...enhanced interrogation and pro-family....these concepts died after Bush left office.

Not it's all about the alt right and white nationalism. The GOP is just openly pro torture now. They're straight shooters!
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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2017, 05:36:25 PM »

Can we dispel the myth that SJWs are solely a Democratic problem? There's also right-wing SJWs. You know, the kind who insist it's "enahnced interrogation" not torture. The ones who are homophobic who call themselves "pro-family". You get the point.

Right...enhanced interrogation and pro-family....these concepts died after Bush left office.

Not it's all about the alt right and white nationalism. The GOP is just openly pro torture now. They're straight shooters!

The alt-right and white nationalism are disgusting and have no place in the Republican Party!  Fortunately, they will never gain any traction.
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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2017, 07:28:57 PM »

Can we dispel the myth that SJWs are solely a Democratic problem? There's also right-wing SJWs. You know, the kind who insist it's "enahnced interrogation" not torture. The ones who are homophobic who call themselves "pro-family". You get the point.

Right...enhanced interrogation and pro-family....these concepts died after Bush left office.

Not it's all about the alt right and white nationalism. The GOP is just openly pro torture now. They're straight shooters!

The alt-right and white nationalism are disgusting and have no place in the Republican Party!  Fortunately, they will never gain any traction.

Ummm...what?   They already have,  I mean, they really REALLY have gained traction.
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2017, 07:34:19 PM »

Can we dispel the myth that SJWs are solely a Democratic problem? There's also right-wing SJWs. You know, the kind who insist it's "enahnced interrogation" not torture. The ones who are homophobic who call themselves "pro-family". You get the point.

Right...enhanced interrogation and pro-family....these concepts died after Bush left office.

Not it's all about the alt right and white nationalism. The GOP is just openly pro torture now. They're straight shooters!

The alt-right and white nationalism are disgusting and have no place in the Republican Party!  Fortunately, they will never gain any traction.

Ummm...what?   They already have,  I mean, they really REALLY have gained traction.

Depends on how you define the alternative right.
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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2017, 07:41:53 PM »

Can we dispel the myth that SJWs are solely a Democratic problem? There's also right-wing SJWs. You know, the kind who insist it's "enahnced interrogation" not torture. The ones who are homophobic who call themselves "pro-family". You get the point.

Right...enhanced interrogation and pro-family....these concepts died after Bush left office.

Not it's all about the alt right and white nationalism. The GOP is just openly pro torture now. They're straight shooters!

The alt-right and white nationalism are disgusting and have no place in the Republican Party!  Fortunately, they will never gain any traction.

*Looks at White House payroll and sees 3 Breitbart alumni 👀

I think a fourth one is joining them shortly.
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2017, 08:00:53 PM »

When is the last time the Democrats won the white vote in the first place?  1964?

Who cares? They don't exactly need to win it outright. Only do well enough.

they need it to have good showings in congress and the states. Scraping past 270 every four years is not a good a strategy.

The problem for the Democrats is that they are progressively becoming more vested in identity politics to the point where white voters, particularly those white voters in "majority minority" locales, will vote like minorities for Republicans. 

The Democrats didn't have to go down this road, but they couldn't help it.  Indeed, the problem with the Democratic Party is that so many of its activists actively hate White Middle America.  They will say it's because they are "racist", but it's really their social conservatism and traditional world view that they loathe so deeply.  They have gotten so bad in that area that even union membership can't reverse the GOP trend. 

Really, the Democrats can't stop being stupid on this matter.  God forbid that they attempt to speak to all Americans as Americans, and not hyphenated this-and-that.
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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2017, 08:28:42 PM »

When is the last time the Democrats won the white vote in the first place?  1964?

Who cares? They don't exactly need to win it outright. Only do well enough.

they need it to have good showings in congress and the states. Scraping past 270 every four years is not a good a strategy.

The problem for the Democrats is that they are progressively becoming more vested in identity politics to the point where white voters, particularly those white voters in "majority minority" locales, will vote like minorities for Republicans. 

The Democrats didn't have to go down this road, but they couldn't help it.  Indeed, the problem with the Democratic Party is that so many of its activists actively hate White Middle America.  They will say it's because they are "racist", but it's really their social conservatism and traditional world view that they loathe so deeply.  They have gotten so bad in that area that even union membership can't reverse the GOP trend. 

Really, the Democrats can't stop being stupid on this matter.  God forbid that they attempt to speak to all Americans as Americans, and not hyphenated this-and-that.

Okay dude. When the freight train of Arizona, Georgia, Texas, North Carolina, and Florida finally vote for Democrats within the next decade, don't say there weren't signs of it coming.

Keep alienating Whites and be prepared to start losing states like Vermont, NH, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Rhode Island, Maine, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Delaware, Illinois, and Virginia.

Democrats don't understand that you can't just condemn whitey and beg minorities to vote for you. This country will cast your overt race baiting to the wayside.
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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2017, 08:36:23 PM »

When is the last time the Democrats won the white vote in the first place?  1964?

Who cares? They don't exactly need to win it outright. Only do well enough.

they need it to have good showings in congress and the states. Scraping past 270 every four years is not a good a strategy.

The problem for the Democrats is that they are progressively becoming more vested in identity politics to the point where white voters, particularly those white voters in "majority minority" locales, will vote like minorities for Republicans. 

The Democrats didn't have to go down this road, but they couldn't help it.  Indeed, the problem with the Democratic Party is that so many of its activists actively hate White Middle America.  They will say it's because they are "racist", but it's really their social conservatism and traditional world view that they loathe so deeply.  They have gotten so bad in that area that even union membership can't reverse the GOP trend. 

Really, the Democrats can't stop being stupid on this matter.  God forbid that they attempt to speak to all Americans as Americans, and not hyphenated this-and-that.

Okay dude. When the freight train of Arizona, Georgia, Texas, North Carolina, and Florida finally vote for Democrats within the next decade, don't say there weren't signs of it coming.

-North Carolina and Florida voted Democratic in 2008. So did Indiana. The first signs of a strong Dem movement in AZ, GA, TX came with Trump. Before him, talk of these states trending Dem could correctly be dismissed as fluff.
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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2017, 08:47:41 PM »

There are a significant number of states where Democrats consistently lose the white vote, sometimes by large margins, but win statewide... e.g., Virginia.  More states will join this fold.

Good luck accomplishing that when you've managed to alienate whites into voting for Republicans by Mississippi White margins with your SJW slavery tax and reparations platform.
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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2017, 08:56:54 PM »

There are a significant number of states where Democrats consistently lose the white vote, sometimes by large margins, but win statewide... e.g., Virginia.  More states will join this fold.

Good luck accomplishing that when you've managed to alienate whites into voting for Republicans by Mississippi White margins with your SJW slavery tax and reparations platform.

The notion that states like Virginia or Arizona will have whites voting at Mississippi margins is absurd.  The average white voter in Northern Virginia has almost nothing in common with the average Mississippi voter and their fiscal and other political interests are diametrically opposed.

If the democrats abandon the rust belt and go with the sunbelt strategy of appealing to emerging black and Hispanic communities then they will begin to adopt party platforms that will make Whites in these states take a second notice. SJWs will try and force feed a platform that will be hostile to white Americans.

Also this strategy is silly since it rests upon the notion that Hispanics will go the way of blacks which isn't happening. Trump couldn't even bring a #latinosurge for Hillary in Florida or even Arizona. Ain't happening now ain't happening later.
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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2017, 08:58:25 PM »

There are a significant number of states where Democrats consistently lose the white vote, sometimes by large margins, but win statewide... e.g., Virginia.  More states will join this fold.

Good luck accomplishing that when you've managed to alienate whites into voting for Republicans by Mississippi White margins with your SJW slavery tax and reparations platform.

The notion that states like Virginia or Arizona will have whites voting at Mississippi margins is absurd.  The average white voter in Northern Virginia has almost nothing in common with the average Mississippi voter and their fiscal and other political interests are diametrically opposed.

-This is true. It's why Trump's gotta #DraintheSwamp in Washington, DC. As the swamp shrinks, so does NoVa.
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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2017, 09:04:31 PM »

There are a significant number of states where Democrats consistently lose the white vote, sometimes by large margins, but win statewide... e.g., Virginia.  More states will join this fold.

Good luck accomplishing that when you've managed to alienate whites into voting for Republicans by Mississippi White margins with your SJW slavery tax and reparations platform.

The notion that states like Virginia or Arizona will have whites voting at Mississippi margins is absurd.  The average white voter in Northern Virginia has almost nothing in common with the average Mississippi voter and their fiscal and other political interests are diametrically opposed.

If the democrats abandon the rust belt and go with the sunbelt strategy of appealing to emerging black and Hispanic communities then they will begin to adopt party platforms that will make Whites in these states take a second notice. SJWs will try and force feed a platform that will be hostile to white Americans.

Also this strategy is silly since it rests upon the notion that Hispanics will go the way of blacks which isn't happening. Trump couldn't even bring a #latinosurge for Hillary in Florida or even Arizona. Ain't happening now ain't happening later.
Florida's Cubans are predominantly Republican and anti-Communist.  Some of the trend toward the Democrats amongst Florida's Cubans was blunted by dislike of Obama's softening toward Castro.
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« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2017, 09:06:51 PM »

There are a significant number of states where Democrats consistently lose the white vote, sometimes by large margins, but win statewide... e.g., Virginia.  More states will join this fold.

Good luck accomplishing that when you've managed to alienate whites into voting for Republicans by Mississippi White margins with your SJW slavery tax and reparations platform.

The notion that states like Virginia or Arizona will have whites voting at Mississippi margins is absurd.  The average white voter in Northern Virginia has almost nothing in common with the average Mississippi voter and their fiscal and other political interests are diametrically opposed.

-This is true. It's why Trump's gotta #DraintheSwamp in Washington, DC. As the swamp shrinks, so does NoVa.

No just no.  First off - most of the NOVA population is not directly reliant on the Federal Government.  It has diversified greatly... there is a large tech sector... there are a ton of big law attorneys, etc. etc.  Second, I suspect the government crowd in NOVA is a lot more conservative than the government crowd generally as there are a lot of military related departments located there + contractors.

-Law firms are swamp. Tech firms may also be swamp as the Federal Government is a major customer.
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« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2017, 09:18:41 AM »

When is the last time the Democrats won the white vote in the first place?  1964?
More likely 1944 or 1948 if I had to guess.
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« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2017, 09:34:57 AM »

A good candidate in 2020. The GOP has more problems due to the demographic change on the longer shot. Just take a look; they won the PV only once since 1988. The number of decisive votes in 2016 was less than 100,000 in three states.
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« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2017, 10:20:32 AM »

They obviously need to reconnect to the forgotten man in dying America cuz that's where the future lies!

This is what Tom Rino actually believes.

Why would I care either way how your (historically depleted) party does?  This is what YOUR PARTY LEADERSHIP BELIEVES, LOL.  I can't wait to see how you come to terms with Democrats acting in a decidedly populist manner during Trump's Presidency.
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« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2017, 10:47:36 AM »

A good candidate in 2020. The GOP has more problems due to the demographic change on the longer shot. Just take a look; they won the PV only once since 1988. The number of decisive votes in 2016 was less than 100,000 in three states.

They lack good candidates because of how polarized the left is. Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden (yes yes I am aware he could win white working class, but he won't win the white vote as a whole), Kamala Harris, Julian Castro, and Kirsten Gillibrand would all lose the white vote. Democrats said the demographic changes would be catastrophic for Republicans and look what happened! Demographic changes won't end the GOP because political parties adjust to the times they are in.

Heck, I remember reading one time that some journalists in the 1920s were predicting that the emerging Italian and Irish immigrant populations (combined with the Solid South) would eventually put Republicans at an Electoral College disadvantage, LOL.  Now, both of those ethnic groups vote solidly for the party they once despised.  Throughout ALL of American history, there has been a direct correlation between being in a "privileged" or "established" group and voting Federalist/Whig/Republican.  As Hispanics become more assimilated, they WILL become more Republican.  That doesn't mean the GOP shouldn't be concerned, because it frankly should.
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