Which is more immoral?

[Hatman 🍁]

Option one is the only immoral one of these choices. That, and it should be illegal. Number two is perfectly acceptable.

[Hatman 🍁]

Option one is the only immoral one of these choices. That, and it should be illegal. Number two is perfectly acceptable.

Is there any reason it should be illegal, except "I don't like it and I'm a control freak?"

Yes, it's anti-equality. Marriage is about the equality of two partners, such things cannot happen with a gross age discrepancy as the one suggested.

[Hatman 🍁]

Yes, it's anti-equality. Marriage is about the equality of two partners, such things cannot happen with a gross age discrepancy as the one suggested.

How do you decide what the maximum moral age difference is? A difference of twenty years (or whatever else) is moral, but twenty years and one day is not?

It's a %, not an age of course. An 80 year old has a lot more in common with a 100 year old than an 20 year old and a 40 year old. The former is acceptable, while the ladder is not.

[Hatman 🍁]

Yes, it's anti-equality. Marriage is about the equality of two partners, such things cannot happen with a gross age discrepancy as the one suggested.

How do you decide what the maximum moral age difference is? A difference of twenty years (or whatever else) is moral, but twenty years and one day is not?

It's a %, not an age of course. An 80 year old has a lot more in common with a 100 year old than an 20 year old and a 40 year old. The former is acceptable, while the ladder is not.

Theoretically, everyone would be able to get married. I don't really like age barriers either, which is why I'm against many minimum ages, but I think the %'s are fine, because you can always qualify if you live long enough.
Okay, so a 50% age difference (or whatever else) is acceptable, but 50.1% is not?

[Hatman 🍁]

Yes, it's anti-equality. Marriage is about the equality of two partners, such things cannot happen with a gross age discrepancy as the one suggested.

How do you decide what the maximum moral age difference is? A difference of twenty years (or whatever else) is moral, but twenty years and one day is not?

It's a %, not an age of course. An 80 year old has a lot more in common with a 100 year old than an 20 year old and a 40 year old. The former is acceptable, while the ladder is not.

Okay, so a 50% age difference (or whatever else) is acceptable, but 50.1% is not?

Theoretically, everyone would be able to get married. I don't really like age barriers either, which is why I'm against many minimum ages, but I think the %'s are fine, because you can always qualify if you live long enough.

Why should they be forced to wait before entering marriage if they are in love? There are certain perks that they get with marriage that they don't get from being a co-habiting couple. Why should they have to wait for these because you think one is far too old for the other?

Maturity. Time is needed for maturity to grow. Plus, the whole reason I believe this, is as I mentioned, is that I believe such relationships to be unequal. Once you reach a certain percentage of another's age, then you can be considered at least equaler.

[Hatman 🍁]

Yes, it's anti-equality. Marriage is about the equality of two partners, such things cannot happen with a gross age discrepancy as the one suggested.

How do you decide what the maximum moral age difference is? A difference of twenty years (or whatever else) is moral, but twenty years and one day is not?

It's a %, not an age of course. An 80 year old has a lot more in common with a 100 year old than an 20 year old and a 40 year old. The former is acceptable, while the ladder is not.

Okay, so a 50% age difference (or whatever else) is acceptable, but 50.1% is not?

Theoretically, everyone would be able to get married. I don't really like age barriers either, which is why I'm against many minimum ages, but I think the %'s are fine, because you can always qualify if you live long enough.

Why should they be forced to wait before entering marriage if they are in love? There are certain perks that they get with marriage that they don't get from being a co-habiting couple. Why should they have to wait for these because you think one is far too old for the other?

Maturity. Time is needed for maturity to grow. Plus, the whole reason I believe this, is as I mentioned, is that I believe such relationships to be unequal. Once you reach a certain percentage of another's age, then you can be considered at least equaler.

Love, maturity, and relationships can't be calculated with mathematical formulae.

Then why do we have an age of consent? Minimum ages for marriages? There is nothing decent about an 80 year old                                      and a 20 year old marrying.

[Hatman 🍁]

Yes, it's anti-equality. Marriage is about the equality of two partners, such things cannot happen with a gross age discrepancy as the one suggested.

How do you decide what the maximum moral age difference is? A difference of twenty years (or whatever else) is moral, but twenty years and one day is not?

It's a %, not an age of course. An 80 year old has a lot more in common with a 100 year old than an 20 year old and a 40 year old. The former is acceptable, while the ladder is not.

Okay, so a 50% age difference (or whatever else) is acceptable, but 50.1% is not?

Theoretically, everyone would be able to get married. I don't really like age barriers either, which is why I'm against many minimum ages, but I think the %'s are fine, because you can always qualify if you live long enough.

Why should they be forced to wait before entering marriage if they are in love? There are certain perks that they get with marriage that they don't get from being a co-habiting couple. Why should they have to wait for these because you think one is far too old for the other?

Maturity. Time is needed for maturity to grow. Plus, the whole reason I believe this, is as I mentioned, is that I believe such relationships to be unequal. Once you reach a certain percentage of another's age, then you can be considered at least equaler.

Love, maturity, and relationships can't be calculated with mathematical formulae.

Then why do we have an age of consent? Minimum ages for marriages? There is nothing decent about an 80 year old                                      and a 20 year old marrying.

There we are then, we already have regulation; a minimum wage for marriage. At that minimum age the law considers them mature enough to marry - why does it matter how old the person they choose to marry is?

For the same reason there is a minumum age for marriage.

[Hatman 🍁]

Yes, it's anti-equality. Marriage is about the equality of two partners, such things cannot happen with a gross age discrepancy as the one suggested.

How do you decide what the maximum moral age difference is? A difference of twenty years (or whatever else) is moral, but twenty years and one day is not?

It's a %, not an age of course. An 80 year old has a lot more in common with a 100 year old than an 20 year old and a 40 year old. The former is acceptable, while the ladder is not.

Okay, so a 50% age difference (or whatever else) is acceptable, but 50.1% is not?

Theoretically, everyone would be able to get married. I don't really like age barriers either, which is why I'm against many minimum ages, but I think the %'s are fine, because you can always qualify if you live long enough.

Why should they be forced to wait before entering marriage if they are in love? There are certain perks that they get with marriage that they don't get from being a co-habiting couple. Why should they have to wait for these because you think one is far too old for the other?

Maturity. Time is needed for maturity to grow. Plus, the whole reason I believe this, is as I mentioned, is that I believe such relationships to be unequal. Once you reach a certain percentage of another's age, then you can be considered at least equaler.

Love, maturity, and relationships can't be calculated with mathematical formulae.

Then why do we have an age of consent? Minimum ages for marriages? There is nothing decent about an 80 year old                                      and a 20 year old marrying.

There we are then, we already have regulation; a minimum wage for marriage. At that minimum age the law considers them mature enough to marry - why does it matter how old the person they choose to marry is?

For the same reason there is a minumum age for marriage.

What? Lack of maturity? Well first of all people mature at very different ages, many people are incredibly immature despite being well into adulthood. Should people be required to take some sort of maturity test before marriage?

The minimum age for marriage is all about maturity, no? Well if these people have already reached that age then society already deems them mature enough to choose to marry whomsoever they want, provided that person is also above the minimum age for marriage. Why does the age of the other person matter? If they have already reached the current minimum age, they are both considered suitably mature by society to take responsibility for themselves and decide who they want to marry and when they want to do so. Why does the government have the right to further step in and say "okay, you can get married, but not to them as we think they are too old for you". Would the government further be allowed to judge people based on character, decide whether or not one person was good enough for another? Why is age important?

Why is it up to the state to regulate what people do in regards to their relationships with others?

I disagree. You dont turn 18 and stop gaining maturity. Maturity is something that increases as you get older, no matter how old you are, but because the rate slows down as you get older, a percentage is needed.

[Hatman 🍁]

I disagree. You dont turn 18 and stop gaining maturity. Maturity is something that increases as you get older, no matter how old you are, but because the rate slows down as you get older, a percentage is needed.

He never said you didn't stop gaining maturity, only that at 18 you are 'mature enough' to decide who you want to marry.

I disagree. Not if you're picking someone who is 80 years old.

[Hatman 🍁]

I disagree. You dont turn 18 and stop gaining maturity. Maturity is something that increases as you get older, no matter how old you are, but because the rate slows down as you get older, a percentage is needed.

He never said you didn't stop gaining maturity, only that at 18 you are 'mature enough' to decide who you want to marry.

I disagree. Not if you're picking someone who is 80 years old.

Are you mature enough to decide to have sexual relations with someone who is 80 years old?

As far as I see it, lots of people aren't particularly mature at eighteen, but that doesn't mean we deny them their rights because we don't think they are suitably mature for an eighteen year old. Why should we stop someone who is mature and say nineteen from marrying an eighty year old when two people who are immature and eighteen are perfectly allowed to marry each other?

An 18 year old is mature enough to marry another 18 year old, not an 80 year old.

[Hatman 🍁]

I disagree. You dont turn 18 and stop gaining maturity. Maturity is something that increases as you get older, no matter how old you are, but because the rate slows down as you get older, a percentage is needed.

He never said you didn't stop gaining maturity, only that at 18 you are 'mature enough' to decide who you want to marry.

I disagree. Not if you're picking someone who is 80 years old.

Are you mature enough to decide to have sexual relations with someone who is 80 years old?

As far as I see it, lots of people aren't particularly mature at eighteen, but that doesn't mean we deny them their rights because we don't think they are suitably mature for an eighteen year old. Why should we stop someone who is mature and say nineteen from marrying an eighty year old when two people who are immature and eighteen are perfectly allowed to marry each other?

An 18 year old is mature enough to marry another 18 year old, not an 80 year old.

How do you know?

It's my theory.

[Hatman 🍁]

I disagree. You dont turn 18 and stop gaining maturity. Maturity is something that increases as you get older, no matter how old you are, but because the rate slows down as you get older, a percentage is needed.

He never said you didn't stop gaining maturity, only that at 18 you are 'mature enough' to decide who you want to marry.

I disagree. Not if you're picking someone who is 80 years old.

Are you mature enough to decide to have sexual relations with someone who is 80 years old?

As far as I see it, lots of people aren't particularly mature at eighteen, but that doesn't mean we deny them their rights because we don't think they are suitably mature for an eighteen year old. Why should we stop someone who is mature and say nineteen from marrying an eighty year old when two people who are immature and eighteen are perfectly allowed to marry each other?

An 18 year old is mature enough to marry another 18 year old, not an 80 year old.

How do you know?

It's my theory.

Precisely. It should not be imposed on the rest of the population.

So you think an 18 year old has the same maturity as an 80 year old?

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Yeah, maturity ages change as you get older, and is why I think you should only marry within your range. However, we are getting off my belief that this is really about equality. A marriage of an 18 year old and an 80 year old is not equality.

[Hatman 🍁]

Yeah, maturity ages change as you get older, and is why I think you should only marry within your range. However, we are getting off my belief that this is really about equality. A marriage of an 18 year old and an 80 year old is not equality.

exactly my point. Maturity does not come overnight like the law makes you think.

18 is the point where you become an adult in this country. It isn't exact since maturity varies for every individual, but we simply look at 'averages' and determine that people are usually mature enough at that point to make their own decisions regarding marriage. It isn't perfect, but it would be impossible and impractical to make some test in which everyone's maturity is measured.

BTW Earl, is it wrong for an immature 40 year old to marry a very mature 40 year old?

Haha nice try Dibble. There's always going to be exceptions. Maturity is a fuzzy matter anyways, as I said it is more about equality.

[Hatman 🍁]

I disagree. You dont turn 18 and stop gaining maturity. Maturity is something that increases as you get older, no matter how old you are, but because the rate slows down as you get older, a percentage is needed.

He never said you didn't stop gaining maturity, only that at 18 you are 'mature enough' to decide who you want to marry.

I disagree. Not if you're picking someone who is 80 years old.

Are you mature enough to decide to have sexual relations with someone who is 80 years old?

As far as I see it, lots of people aren't particularly mature at eighteen, but that doesn't mean we deny them their rights because we don't think they are suitably mature for an eighteen year old. Why should we stop someone who is mature and say nineteen from marrying an eighty year old when two people who are immature and eighteen are perfectly allowed to marry each other?

An 18 year old is mature enough to marry another 18 year old, not an 80 year old.

How do you know?

It's my theory.

Precisely. It should not be imposed on the rest of the population.

Using that logic, neither should my theory that 12 year olds shouldn't marry 18 year olds be imposed on the rest of the population.

If it's only your theory, then it should not be imposed on the rest of the population. But it's not just your theory.

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[Hatman 🍁]

Yeah, maturity ages change as you get older, and is why I think you should only marry within your range. However, we are getting off my belief that this is really about equality. A marriage of an 18 year old and an 80 year old is not equality.

exactly my point. Maturity does not come overnight like the law makes you think.

18 is the point where you become an adult in this country. It isn't exact since maturity varies for every individual, but we simply look at 'averages' and determine that people are usually mature enough at that point to make their own decisions regarding marriage. It isn't perfect, but it would be impossible and impractical to make some test in which everyone's maturity is measured.

BTW Earl, is it wrong for an immature 40 year old to marry a very mature 40 year old?

Haha nice try Dibble. There's always going to be exceptions. Maturity is a fuzzy matter anyways, as I said it is more about equality.

What's to say that, if the people truly loved each other, they couldn't make the relationship equal?

It is impossible. Such a relationship could not be an equal one.

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Haha nice try Dibble. There's always going to be exceptions. Maturity is a fuzzy matter anyways, as I said it is more about equality.

Answer the question. You stated that an 18 year old isn't mature enough to marry an 80 year old - well now it's about 'equality' apparently. Which is it?

It's both.

[Hatman 🍁]

Yeah, maturity ages change as you get older, and is why I think you should only marry within your range. However, we are getting off my belief that this is really about equality. A marriage of an 18 year old and an 80 year old is not equality.

exactly my point. Maturity does not come overnight like the law makes you think.

18 is the point where you become an adult in this country. It isn't exact since maturity varies for every individual, but we simply look at 'averages' and determine that people are usually mature enough at that point to make their own decisions regarding marriage. It isn't perfect, but it would be impossible and impractical to make some test in which everyone's maturity is measured.

BTW Earl, is it wrong for an immature 40 year old to marry a very mature 40 year old?

Haha nice try Dibble. There's always going to be exceptions. Maturity is a fuzzy matter anyways, as I said it is more about equality.

What's to say that, if the people truly loved each other, they couldn't make the relationship equal?

It is impossible. Such a relationship could not be an equal one.

Why not?

Because, the ages differ too much making it the opposite of eqaulity- ineqaulity

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Haha nice try Dibble. There's always going to be exceptions. Maturity is a fuzzy matter anyways, as I said it is more about equality.
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Answer the question. You stated that an 18 year old isn't mature enough to marry an 80 year old - well now it's about 'equality' apparently. Which is it?
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It's both.
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For the third time, answer the question.

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Is it wrong? perhaps. Should it be legal? yes If they are both 40, than it is an eqaul relationship.- at least on paper.

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Because, the ages differ too much making it the opposite of eqaulity- ineqaulity

Out of curiousity, define 'equality' for this kind of thing.

Eqaulity means similar ages

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An 18 and 80 year old are technically the same on paper - they are both adult ages and are thereby equal under the law.
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their ages are not equal, or are not similar and are therefore not equal.

[Hatman 🍁]

Because, the ages differ too much making it the opposite of eqaulity- ineqaulity

Out of curiousity, define 'equality' for this kind of thing.

Eqaulity means similar ages

Age doesn't make people equals.

What I'm getting from this is that you think you know what's best for grown adults better than they do.

Don't we all?

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Because, the ages differ too much making it the opposite of eqaulity- ineqaulity

Out of curiousity, define 'equality' for this kind of thing.

Eqaulity means similar ages

Age doesn't make people equals.

What I'm getting from this is that you think you know what's best for grown adults better than they do.

Don't we all?

No, I think that adults should be able to make their own decisions so long as they don't harm anyone else.

I meant on other issues. For example, you think it's best for the adults to have the right to own guns.