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« on: February 01, 2017, 03:34:40 PM »

He would REAAAALLLY like Pope Francis and be absolutely insufferable about it.

No, real trads would never like a modernist Jesuit like Francis. Death to the dubia!
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 11:43:07 PM »

Pope Francis is more of an "it's complicated" Pope than a super-duper inspiring Pope, for virtually anyone paying attention.

Oh come on. Whether you like him or not, you can't deny that his supporters are very passionate.

I've encountered far more Catholics vehemently against Pope Francis than vehemently in favor of him.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 12:14:04 AM »

Pope Francis is more of an "it's complicated" Pope than a super-duper inspiring Pope, for virtually anyone paying attention.

Oh come on. Whether you like him or not, you can't deny that his supporters are very passionate.

I've encountered far more Catholics vehemently against Pope Francis than vehemently in favor of him.

I'm not saying it is so, but have you considered the possibility that the kind of Catholics you (and TJ) usually encounter are not representative of all Catholics?

I have little doubt that most Catholics have a generally favorable opinion of the Pope (as I do), but if there are large numbers of vehement Pope Francis supporters, I haven't encountered them. On the other hand, I've found plenty who really don't like him in places I wouldn't have expected.

I have heard some conjecture that the vehement anti-Francis mentality is primarily an American phenomenon, though.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 02:10:01 AM »
« Edited: February 02, 2017, 02:14:34 AM by realisticidealist »

Pope Francis is more of an "it's complicated" Pope than a super-duper inspiring Pope, for virtually anyone paying attention.

Oh come on. Whether you like him or not, you can't deny that his supporters are very passionate.

I've encountered far more Catholics vehemently against Pope Francis than vehemently in favor of him.

I'm not saying it is so, but have you considered the possibility that the kind of Catholics you (and TJ) usually encounter are not representative of all Catholics?

I have little doubt that most Catholics have a generally favorable opinion of the Pope (as I do), but if there are large numbers of vehement Pope Francis supporters, I haven't encountered them. On the other hand, I've found plenty who really don't like him in places I wouldn't have expected.

I have heard some conjecture that the vehement anti-Francis mentality is primarily an American phenomenon, though.
Would you support a Communist, yet socially conservative Pope?

You'd have to really get into the weeds about what you mean by "Communist." Communism as an overarching ideology/worldview which makes claims about material reality/historical progression/materialist utopianism/etc. is incompatible with Catholicism, but many of its political tenets are not. If you're just asking whether I'd support a Pope who supports (what are in a secular context) very left-wing economic proposals, then yes, of course.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 02:56:24 AM »

There's always been a strain of utopian communalism in Christianity, but I'd strongly hesitate on using it as an overarching explanation. It is indeed related to the apocalyptic nature of Christianity; since the end is always viewed as potentially near, being attached to material possessions is pointless, potentially even dangerous (though one must resist the temptation to tip over into Gnosticism and hate the material world outright).

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There's a clear emphasis in early Christianity on the essential nature of giving and sharing which has waned a bit in emphasis over time. Indeed, two of the most difficult precepts of Christianity to maintain in the modern world are "If any man take thy coat, give him thy shirt also" and "If any man smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other cheek also." Christian utopian communalism requires a near complete abnegation of the self, but then again it's hard to read Jesus as calling for much less. This is not to say communalism is a prerequisite, but it's certainly a perfectly valid manifestation of Christian thought.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2017, 11:42:54 AM »

I wonder what music I would listen to.

Gregorian chant, obvs.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2017, 03:59:04 PM »

Sort of like a straight realisticidealist I guess?

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2017, 12:56:54 AM »

Oh, also, you wouldn't become a conservative Anglican, you'd become a sedevacantist.

I don't see how even a Catholic version of me, with the rest of quirks intact, would be able to tolerate a Latin Mass or consider it the only valid mass.

Well, a true All Catholic, All the Time person would.

You can't be a True CatholicTM if you don't like the Latin mass. That's like Catholic Hipster 101 right there. Next step would be the Divine Liturgy and a strange fondness for iconostases, then it's a slippery slope down to the pining for the Mozarabic Rite, Maronite propagating signs of peace, and speaking Aramaic on the plains of Nineveh.
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