February 2017 Federalist Convention (Southern Senate: Leinad Wins Primary)

[Adam Griffin]

Mr. Chairman, I motion to formally expel DFW, for I find his lack of faith in the Federalist Party - as clearly demonstrated by leaving it to form a splinter movement - to be Deeply Disturbing.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Mr. Chairman, I motion to formally expel DFW, for I find his lack of faith in the Federalist Party - as clearly demonstrated by leaving it to form a splinter movement - to be Deeply Disturbing.

Sorry, much like in Labor, you have no influence here.

[Wisconsin+17]

[Adam Griffin]

You and me both! Possibly Traitorous DFW, too, but I'll reserve judgement.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Despite Adam not being a member of the party, I will address his concerns anyways.

A. I did not leave the party to hurt the party, I left the party to help try and build a centrist type coalition that could help make Atlasia a better place, I failed, but what else is new.

B. I also left because I have been essentially running the recruitment and elections operation around here for the past few months and I had no position in leadership despite this. I talked to leadership about it and they ignored me so I felt hurt, oh well I guess. Thus the motion you see above, I do have an "appointed position" that is not really plainly visible as the thread is buried, so I wanted an official voting position, if that is petty....then so be it, others have done much worse.

C. Why do you feel the need to troll me when I clearly have IRL things going on, I have had a terrible month and you just keep going on and on about it, most people would've had a mental breakdown by now, honestly.

[Adam Griffin]

Despite Adam not being a member of the party, I will address his concerns anyways.

A. I did not leave the party to hurt the party, I left the party to help try and build a centrist type coalition that could help make Atlasia a better place, I failed, but what else is new.

B. I also left because I have been essentially running the recruitment and elections operation around here for the past few months and I had no position in leadership despite this. I talked to leadership about it and they ignored me so I felt hurt, oh well I guess. Thus the motion you see above, I do have an "appointed position" that is not really plainly visible as the thread is buried, so I wanted an official voting position, if that is petty....then so be it, others have done much worse.

C. Why do you feel the need to troll me when I clearly have IRL things going on, I have had a terrible month and you just keep going on and on about it, most people would've had a mental breakdown by now, honestly.

1. You take stuff way too seriously - in all my years I'm not sure I've seen anybody with as much power being as thin-skinned as you, and maybe it's the result of your very rapid ascent as to why you can't handle criticism, even in a facetious manner. Low Energy Lumine, Low Energy Leinad and many others were much better sports and despite my constant criticism of them, I could respect them for handling themselves accordingly

2. It seems like every day there is something reportedly happening in your life that precludes you from any criticism

3. Bringing real-life issues into the game is not fair to others because we all have things going on that affect us - I've never tried to generate sympathy for myself in this game because of something that happened in my real life, and I honestly view those that do as opportunists seeking to score political/sympathy points from others (which is why I rarely have any sympathy for them)

4. As much as you and others may laugh at my old ways, I do actually believe people have a responsibility to represent the parties and movements that elected them; you're a sitting President, not some random Joe. I'm not sure if you're aware of how destabilizing such behavior can be, or if you are aware and want to turn such behavior into political opportunism by building some grand trans-partisan coalition like others have done - either way, behind closed doors, the Federalists have every right to be upset with you over this. These things should always be handled internally until/unless there is literally no other recourse

5. "Centrist parties" are a recurring cancer on the game, by the way: it's not me saying that through the prism of a partisan hack. People from all political walks of life who've been in this game long enough generally are in agreement because they've seen it. The reality is that they arise, suck in a bunch of people from across the spectrum, ultimately end up standing for or agreeing on nothing but the idea of "centrist" being nice as a result, end up only being governable by personality cults, choke out competition as they proceed to win every election due to the natural of preference voting and inevitably collapse in often destructive ways and leave a mess in their wake


Anywho, I won't post in here anymore. It really wasn't my intention to get into a big fuss and expose internal party workings because somebody can't roll with the punches.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

It's ok if you think that, but the game is drastically changing, we don't like to constantly troll others in their convention threads and what not (although I am guilty of doing so in the past). As for "real life events", that's not really true although you basically said the same thing when TMTH left indicating that you can never use real life, I had never ever complained about my real life situations before this month (as in March), but it has been such a terrible month that I am tired of it all, I feel like I am being punished by someone or something and I don't really know why. Regardless Adam the game is changing and I wish you would change with it and realize that your tactics are not what anyone, including your party, want in the game anymore, sorry.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Just leaving that out there.

[Classic Conservative]

Even though, I left this hollowed institution, Dfw is not a true conservative nor is he even remotely conservative. I stand in support of Adam's amendment.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Of course, neither you nor Adam are Feds, and thus can't expel the President unless either (or both?! ) of you becomes a Fed, at least for a while, to "dine and dash", so-to-speak.

[Goldwater]

Even though, I left this hollowed institution, Dfw is not a true conservative nor is he even remotely conservative. I stand in support of Adam's amendment.

Of course your definition of "conservative" is far to the right of any sane person's, so this is no surprise.

[Classic Conservative]

Even though, I left this hollowed institution, Dfw is not a true conservative nor is he even remotely conservative. I stand in support of Adam's amendment.

Of course your definition of "conservative" is far to the right of any sane person's, so this is no surprise.

It is? A conservative to me is somebody who wants less government involvement in almost all spheres of the economy, a strong national defense and a policy of peace through strength and a family focused social policy. That isn't sane?

[Terry the Fat Shark]

If frat boy trolling is conservatism now than count me out. Pretty sure I'm more conservative than Trump now lol

[Classic Conservative]

If frat boy trolling is conservatism now than count me out. Pretty sure I'm more conservative than Trump now lol

When our President, is insulted he attacks others, this is not the type of leader we should have. A grown adult should not be hurling attacks whenever somebody calls him out on his liberalness. It is very sad and deplorable.

[Goldwater]

If frat boy trolling is conservatism now than count me out. Pretty sure I'm more conservative than Trump now lol

When our President, is insulted he attacks others, this is not the type of leader we should have. A grown adult should not be hurling attacks whenever somebody calls him out on his liberalness. It is very sad and deplorable.

lol

[Terry the Fat Shark]

If frat boy trolling is conservatism now than count me out. Pretty sure I'm more conservative than Trump now lol

When our President, is insulted he attacks others, this is not the type of leader we should have. A grown adult should not be hurling attacks whenever somebody calls him out on his liberalness. It is very sad and deplorable.

You know who the POTUS is........Right?

[Enduro]

I motion to lock the convention thread because it is no longer February, and the conversation is getting annoying.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Mr. Chairman, I motion to formally create a voted in position as part of the Federalist Party leadership, called the Candidate and Citizen recruitment Supervisor to be voted on as an official position every convention similar to the positions of Chair and Vice Chair.

I second this motion.

[Leinad]

I motion to lock the convention thread because it is no longer February, and the conversation is getting annoying.

It's a convention thread, of course it becomes a sh!tfest!

Why, it's a time-honored tradition!

[Rjjr77]

Mr. Chairman, I motion to formally create a voted in position as part of the Federalist Party leadership, called the Candidate and Citizen recruitment Supervisor to be voted on as an official position every convention similar to the positions of Chair and Vice Chair.

I second this motion.

I Call the question.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Look, everyday I come on and it is new crisis and a new scandal. I had precisely 3 PMs in my inbox of, and none of them concerned any of the matters of concern that have been brought up in this thread over the past 48 hours, certainly none related to or from the President.

Look, I have done my damnedest to help the President since he took office. I have supported him on every matter or at the very least to deferred to him out of respect for the fact that he is the President. I have stated repeatedly that elected members should vote inline with the promises they made and that the President should also be given the room to honor the promises he made. As recently as Monday morning, I said that the Congressional delegation and the Senators should vote as they feel right and that not every item is going to get unanimous support with a diverse array of membership as we have.

But we have a situation forming here where we are losing both the critics of the President and the President. It is not an unfamiliar situation, but it is nevertheless a frustrating one to have two opposed factions arise and then depart from the party at the same time. Suddenly we are losing at both ends. Dfw ran a public campaign, he made promises, many of them were conservative some were more moderate.

One thing conservatives seem to love to do, is spend a lot of time deciding who is, and who is not, a member of their movement and then spend all their energies purging that blight from existence. Frankly, in all circumstances I have found this practice to be counterproductive and the greatest gift that the left has ever dreamed off. "But damn it, we fought for perfectionism". "We fought for 100% and even though it resulted in socialism winning and us getting 0%, we sure as hell didn't settle 95%". Ask yourself this, what is the difference between that mindset and openly voting for and endorsing said socialism? The practical result is the same in the end, you might as well. Purist demands for perfection to the point of defeat has been the greatest betrayal of conservatism the past 20 years has witnessed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There has been this criticism of the Federalist Party and despite a whole knew slate of people, it is still prevalent and that is that there is the irresistible urge to eat its own. The fact that I have seen it now in two center-right parties, under 7 different Party Chairs, leads me to believe that is an inherent trait from RL.

It is not easy bringing conservatives, libertarians, and conservative leaning-moderates together under one roof. And there is always that one issue, that someone wants their own way on and if they don't get it, they go nuts, leave, quit whatever.

It is easy to say lets splinter. Well that happened once before. After the RPP dissolved, all the centrists coalesced into a center-left Party and no one could get close to winning the Presidency unless they were left or center-left. Dissolving, splintering, dividing has always been the easy out, but it is the path to ruin. Without the broad coalition and the mutual support that a party brings, the right quickly becomes irrelevant. I am not against third parties, I willingly supported center-right candidates because I thought a competitive race was more important then going down to a landslide defeat against say TNF. So it was natural for me make that call and I don't regret it. However, I have seen the downside of that two. When the opportunity presents itself they come to plot against each other, undermine each other, challenge each other, hampering united efforts in other races or providing the impetus/excuse for others to say "well screw them". And every time that happened, Labor and before them the JCP laughed all the way to the bank.

This is the internet, the natural state of things is a liberal leaning demographic. Perhaps in real life, you have the chance to convert people to your beliefs, but on here that chance is low and it is close quarters. Throwing yourself out on the altar of perfectionism, is only going to get you one thing, defeat because there is no "Conservative" majority as Classic Conservative would define it and there never has been.

Now that said there have been "governing majorities" for market based solutions, for regional empowerment, and for preserving our critical constitutional institutions that protect our freedom. We have been blessed lately, to have achieved more opportunities of this sort in the past year, than at any point in the previous TWELVE YEARS of Atlasia. Whether it was last year, or last month, or last week. Ask yourself what has stood in the way of success? What has prevented us from living up our potential? We have had plenty of petty disagreements blown way out of proportion over those issues of disagreement. We have had many people get angry because of failure to communicate or improper attempts at communication.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We have made enormous progress in my view. With the efforts of Goldwater, PiT and myself as well as many others in multiple parties, Congress is working again. That means the people have a voice. The Regions have a voice. That is an important step. That means that if you have an issue you can contact your Senators and your Representatives. You can get your desired bill to the floor, make the case for it, and if you get the votes you can pass it into law. We have sent more bills to the President in the past 3 weeks then in the past 3 months. Legislation has been signed to remove unnecessary military bases, to provide resources for research in to alternative energy vehicles, and alternative extraction methods to replace fracking. Legislation has been passed to secure our borders and provide a humane solution for those here illegally. We finally passed out and got ratified an amendment to solve future tied elections and will soon pass another clarify voting standards. Work is ongoing on other important topics including the very complex issue of health care.

We have very diverse slate of House members, meaning practically every form of political view is represented to some extent. I have been working to engage our members in the new caucus structure, get the caucus structure working with the Representatives that most closely align with their views. But I cannot get this up and running, and also spend my previous time sorting out the latest drama, over lack of action or whatever, that is in itself causing the lack of action.


Drop the drama, work with me to build engagement and to ensure that every member, of every viewpoint has a seat at the table in the House and on the platform committee. That is my wish and that is my objective.

This is not the Republican Party. This is not the Conservative or Libertarian Party. We are the Federalist Party. We were formed by a merger of the pro-regionalist/Libertarian Imperial Bloc and the conservative Whig Party. We have stood at the forefront against attempts to dissolve the regions, to strip them of their representation, to politicize the Court, against Executive Overreach, against a corrupt Department of Justice, against attempts to dissolve the game and split the game up. Our members were leading voices at the Constitutional Convention. Our party (contrary to the lies and distortions) successfully blocked attempts at nationalizing phama, hospitals, railroads, banks, health insurance and yes, POWER COMPANIES long before certain others realized old Labor was rather socialist. Our party has been at the forefront of tax reform, market based and regionally based healthcare reform, reforms to healthcare delivery systems. Our party has championed, encouraged and collaborated to restore regions, and provide regions with more, not less, opportunities to govern responsibly including on education and healthcare. Our Party twice preserved the rights of regions to determine their policies on protecting the unborn.

- We believe that people make better decisions than  government.
- We support a "federalist" system of checks and balances to preserve and protect your freedom.
- We thus believe it is important to protect and strengthen the regions.
- We support reforms that will strengthen the game, but keep regions at the table.
- We believe that all people are equal and entitled to equal rights
- We believe in a gov't only strong enough to protect freedom and too weak to jeopardize it.
- We stand for market and/or regionally based solutions to improve the well being of hard working families, improve education and healthcare, and reduce pressing economic inequalities.
- Finally, we stand for a game that welcomes all participants, new and old, and cherishes the contributions they make to the game.

We may disagree on how best to achieve these goals, but most every Federalist, including every Federalist President has stood by these basic principles. This (worded in paragraph form) has served as our mission statement since July 2014. I wrote it. Our platform has not been updated much. It would be easy for me to just rewrite it myself. But instead I choose a different path. I want to get everyone active in caucuses that represent their values, I want those caucuses to elect leaders and I want those leaders to serve as the Platform Committee.

If you want to help me get this in motion, I'll be here.

If you want to waste time on pointless bickering, I will not join you in wasting a single moment.  I will be busy. Busy making Congress work for the people, busy working to help the President where I can and busy implementing this plan. And thus, I am too going to be too busy for bullsh**t.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

SOUTHERN SENATE PRIMARY

Friday - Sunday

Declared Candidates
Senator Leinad (F-GA)
Fairbol (F-FL)

IMPORTANT NOTES
- Only registered Southern Federalists of this moment, will be allowed to vote in the primary


Please finalize any further declarations by Midnight Friday Morning.


I will probably not be able to start it until around two in the morning.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

SOUTHERN SENATE PRIMARY

Begins Now and Ends in 72 Hours

Only Registered Federalists in the South May Vote

Official Ballot:
[  ] Fairbol (F-FL)
[  ] Leinad (F-GA)