Diplomatic Mission Bill

[Emsworth]

Diplomatic Mission Bill

1. The President of Atlasia shall have power to negoitiate Treaties and establish diplomatic relations with other micronations or forums, but such Treaties and relations shall only have effect where ratified by the Senate.

2. The President may appoint Ambassadors to foreign nations to help facilitate relations between the said nation and the Republic of Atlasia. These said Ambassadors must be confirmed with the advice and consent of a majority of the Senate.

3. The Ambassadorship does not qualify as an Office under the Government of Atlasia.

4. The Presidential nominee for an Ambassadorship must be be voted for in the affirmative by a majority of the Senate in order to be confirmed.

5. The Ambassadors will report directly to the Secretary of State, who in turn will report directly to the President of Atlasia.

6. It shall be the job of the Bureau of Diplomatic Security (a sub-department within the Department of State) to protect Ambassdors in foreign nations. It shall be the job of the Marine Security Guard Battalion to guard and protect Atlasian Embassies in foreign nations.

Sponsor: Sen. Sam Spade
Note: Edited so that the capitalization of "Ambassador" is consistent throughout.

[PBrunsel]

3. The Ambassadorship does not qualify as an Office under the Government of Atlasia.

Because of this part I will vote aye to this. We have too many offices in Atlasia, so i'm glad this was put in.

[Emsworth]

3. The Ambassadorship does not qualify as an Office under the Government of Atlasia.

Because of this part I will vote aye to this. We have too many offices in Atlasia, so i'm glad this was put in.

Whether it qualifies or not, though, it still exists, and for all practical purposes, it's an office.

[Gabu]

I'm curious what section 3 means, exactly.  Does that just mean that the ambassadors are not allowed to make threads in which to put things they feel are relevant, as Cabinet ministers are allowed to do?  Ambassadors would still be government officials like everyone else.

[Emsworth]

Does that just mean that the ambassadors are not allowed to make threads in which to put things they feel are relevant, as Cabinet ministers are allowed to do?

I imagine that it's for the purpose of the Constitution, which if I recall correctly provides, "No person may simultaneously hold two or more offices of the Republic of Atlasia at any level of the government." Thus, it becomes possible for a Cabinet member to serve as ambassador, for example.

But it could be argued that even if the Senate claims otherwise, the ambassadorship is in fact an office for the purposes of the Constitution, and that this clause is unconstitutional.

[Gabu]

Does that just mean that the ambassadors are not allowed to make threads in which to put things they feel are relevant, as Cabinet ministers are allowed to do?

I imagine that it's for the purpose of the Constitution, which if I recall correctly provides, "No person may simultaneously hold two or more offices of the Republic of Atlasia at any level of the government." Thus, it becomes possible for a Cabinet member to serve as ambassador, for example.

But it could be argued that even if the Senate claims otherwise, the ambassadorship is in fact an office for the purposes of the Constitution, and that this clause is unconstitutional.

Well, it could be argued that nowhere is the term "office" defined in the Constitution, although it also does not explicitly allow the Senate to define it.

[MAS117]

Does that just mean that the ambassadors are not allowed to make threads in which to put things they feel are relevant, as Cabinet ministers are allowed to do?

I imagine that it's for the purpose of the Constitution, which if I recall correctly provides, "No person may simultaneously hold two or more offices of the Republic of Atlasia at any level of the government." Thus, it becomes possible for a Cabinet member to serve as ambassador, for example.

But it could be argued that even if the Senate claims otherwise, the ambassadorship is in fact an office for the purposes of the Constitution, and that this clause is unconstitutional.

As the original author and Sponsor of this bill, the Vice President is correct. This bill was written so that a person could hold more then one office at a time, so if a cabinet secretary wishes to be said Ambassador he may. If you all want to change the wording thats fine, for more clarity I guess.

[DanielX]

Sounds like a bill that's worth something. I say go for it.

[ilikeverin]

Finally

[King]

Looks fine by me.

[MHS2002]

Suppose it looks fine.

I would personally like to see ambassadors that don't already have an office, so as not to put undue power and responsibility on one person...just my 2 cents there.

[MAS117]

Suppose it looks fine.

I would personally like to see ambassadors that don't already have an office, so as not to put undue power and responsibility on one person...just my 2 cents there.

I would also like to see more people getting involved in fantasy politics, but just incase we can't find anyone good, that provision is there.

[Peter]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=21109.0

Above was the original debate on this bill

[MAS117]

Thanks Peter.

[Platypus]

after having reviewed the other micronations, they're all way too complex and insist on a set of rules that I believe would make the game less fun, in bilateral diplomacy.

Whilst at first the idea seems cool, if it means changing Atlasia (and it does) then I am strongly against this bill.

[MAS117]

after having reviewed the other micronations, they're all way too complex and insist on a set of rules that I believe would make the game less fun, in bilateral diplomacy.

Whilst at first the idea seems cool, if it means changing Atlasia (and it does) then I am strongly against this bill.

This is just an area where we can afford to be picky. 

[Emsworth]

There has been no debate by a Senator for more than 24 hours, and the minimum 72-hour period of debate has expired.

The question is on final passage of the bill. All those in favor, say Aye; those opposed, say No.

[MHS2002]

Aye

[Sam Spade]

Aye.

[PBrunsel]

Aye

[DanielX]

Aye

[MasterJedi]

Aye

[Gabu]

I have some lingering doubts about how diplomacy would play out, but I'll trust our officials not to commit Atlasia to something that would not be beneficial to us.

Aye.

This bill now has enough votes to pass; senators now have 24 hours to change their vote.

[ilikeverin]

W00000000000t

[MAS117]

I thank the members of this body for there support on this up and coming issue in our great nation.