Gallup: 55% disapprove of Muslim ban, Plurality says Trump is "moving too fast"
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2017, 05:04:08 PM »

1. The Republican gerrymandering is overrated. A bigger problem us the fact that geographic location is doing more to hurt the Dems. Remember, the Republican Party won the popular vote for the House in 2016.

2. A bad economy probably makes Pelosi speaker again.

I think too often gerrymandering is unfairly blamed entirely for the current conditions, but it certainly has cost Democrats a number of seats. Had 2010 been more balanced in terms of redistricting, Democrats would probably consistently hold the same number of seats as they did in the 90s - early 2000s, in addition to there being more overall opportunities.

I believe it was also Sabato who laid out an interesting case that incumbency has, arguably, a larger negative effect. I still think it might be a net benefit to our system of government if we tried to disincentivize or outright prohibit politicians from turning their districts into long-term careers.
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2017, 05:07:56 PM »

long-term incumbents have advantages and disadvantages for a democracy.

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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2017, 07:16:51 PM »

     People calling it a "Muslim ban" when it most certainly is not probably does not help public perception. It wasn't a particularly well-conceived order, but criticizing it should not require misrepresentation.
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2017, 07:53:20 PM »

. Remember, the Republican Party won the popular vote for the House in 2016.

doesn't matter if they won....it's a question of margin.

Point being the Democrats have structural issues beyond gerrymandering. Sean Trende has covered this. 

If they win the GCB by 5, they will win the House. That's a typical sized backlash.
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« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2017, 02:27:33 AM »

Good. Now Democrats better leverage those polls in Congress.
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« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2017, 04:13:28 AM »
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    People calling it a "Muslim ban" when it most certainly is not probably does not help public perception. It wasn't a particularly well-conceived order, but criticizing it should not require misrepresentation.

Calling it a Muslim ban is in no way a misrepresentation.
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« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2017, 04:23:30 AM »

He enacted the 7 nation ban specifically to fulfill his campaign pledge of banning Muslims. He didn't ban Muslims outright only because it's not politically or logistically possible. For that reason, I think it's totally fair to call it a Muslim ban. If you want to note how ineffective it actually is at its stated goal though, you could call it a Muslim ban-lite or a the half assed Muslim ban.
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« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2017, 04:47:12 AM »

All other polls have highly different results, what says all about Gallups D+10-15 samples and their crooked approval ratings.
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« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2017, 05:24:56 AM »

When was the last time a president" moved too fast?"
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« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2017, 12:58:54 PM »

He enacted the 7 nation ban specifically to fulfill his campaign pledge of banning Muslims. He didn't ban Muslims outright only because it's not politically or logistically possible. For that reason, I think it's totally fair to call it a Muslim ban. If you want to note how ineffective it actually is at its stated goal though, you could call it a Muslim ban-lite or a the half assed Muslim ban.

     Do you have proof of this?
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« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2017, 01:17:21 PM »

This "recession is overdue" talk is nonsense. The strength of slow but steady growth is that it can continue for a very long time. Unemployment is low, but there is still untapped potential out there. Inflation is still low. Interest rates are still super low. If sensible economic policies are pursued, there's no real reason to think that a recession is just around the corner. Of course, with Trump as president, the chances that sensible economic policies will actually be pursued are close to zero, which is why the recession will probably happen.

Interest rates being low is a problem, not a positive, and it needs to be fixed.
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« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2017, 02:20:56 PM »

     People calling it a "Muslim ban" when it most certainly is not probably does not help public perception. It wasn't a particularly well-conceived order, but criticizing it should not require misrepresentation.
Perhaps, but it's worth noting that while not all Muslims were banned by the order, all those banned by the order were Muslims.
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« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2017, 03:13:55 PM »

     People calling it a "Muslim ban" when it most certainly is not probably does not help public perception. It wasn't a particularly well-conceived order, but criticizing it should not require misrepresentation.
Perhaps, but it's worth noting that while not all Muslims were banned by the order, all those banned by the order were Muslims.

Not at all true.
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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2017, 03:17:08 PM »

not all, yeah.

but i guess this is, like green cards, one of the areas which is going to be "fixed".
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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2017, 03:17:18 PM »

     People calling it a "Muslim ban" when it most certainly is not probably does not help public perception. It wasn't a particularly well-conceived order, but criticizing it should not require misrepresentation.

Tell that to various White House spokesmen that have used the term "Muslim ban".
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« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2017, 03:29:20 PM »

that's the beauty of it.

a muslim ban was promised.

trump asked rudy how to implement a muslim ban.

the base gets rallied up about a muslim ban.

some representatives are calling it a muslim ban.

but since this would be illegal ofc officially and for all practical matters and technically it isn't a muslim ban.

it's just a ban which randomly filters people of 7 dominantly muslim countries.

which means it dominantly bans muslims.

just not all muslims. and not all banned are muslims.

i call it having your cake and eat it too.



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« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2017, 03:48:42 PM »

. Remember, the Republican Party won the popular vote for the House in 2016.

doesn't matter if they won....it's a question of margin.

Point being the Democrats have structural issues beyond gerrymandering. Sean Trende has covered this. 

-It's not hard to draw ten suburban districts with little dips into the inner city to keep them Dem.
Illinois did it. One of the worst gerrymandered states in the country
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« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2017, 03:54:13 PM »

     People calling it a "Muslim ban" when it most certainly is not probably does not help public perception. It wasn't a particularly well-conceived order, but criticizing it should not require misrepresentation.

People like the people who wrote it?
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« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2017, 03:56:58 PM »

     People calling it a "Muslim ban" when it most certainly is not probably does not help public perception. It wasn't a particularly well-conceived order, but criticizing it should not require misrepresentation.

People like the people who wrote it?

     Well, the people who wrote it don't know WTF they're doing. That is pretty clear by now.
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« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2017, 04:09:09 PM »

     People calling it a "Muslim ban" when it most certainly is not probably does not help public perception. It wasn't a particularly well-conceived order, but criticizing it should not require misrepresentation.
Perhaps, but it's worth noting that while not all Muslims were banned by the order, all those banned by the order were Muslims.

Not at all true.
Does the order not make an exception for persons belonging to the "minority religion" (i.e. non-Muslims) in the affected countries?

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So while it would appear that my initial statement was incorrect (my apologies for that), non-Muslims have a clear pathway to be admitted to the country in spite of the order, while Muslims do not.
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« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2017, 04:14:22 PM »


Illinois did it. One of the worst gerrymandered states in the country

easily surpassed by MD/NC and chicago is big enough that it would be much more important than bi g cities in its neighbouring states anyway.
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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2017, 04:40:02 PM »


Illinois did it. One of the worst gerrymandered states in the country

easily surpassed by MD/NC and chicago is big enough that it would be much more important than bi g cities in its neighbouring states anyway.

-MI in 2012 was definitely one of the most gerrymandered states in the country. Not one district flipped from 2012 to 2016. MD is a very Dem state, so, as in the case of Massachusetts, it's easy to make it with all Dem districts.
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« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2017, 04:50:35 PM »

I mean, Maryland is gerrymandered for reasons other than partisan reasons. Most of the messiness is to create two separate districts for white Democrats from Baltimore and its suburbs (the real problem) and otherwise preserve incumbents in their districts. It's possible to draw a much neater map that is nonetheless solidly 7-1.

You can actually draw a relatively neat 8-0 map. It doesn't even split the Eastern Shore that bad and it uses the Bay Bridge to cross over into Prince George's County.

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« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2017, 04:52:02 PM »

We're close to recession. It's probably going to start in September 2017- early 2018. I don't think that one can just artificially start a recession.

You can definitely artificially cause a recession. The Fed did it a bunch of times in the 80s. It was intended to end a period of persistently high inflation.

Anyway, the economy is doing all right but could definitely be strangled if the Fed suddenly increased rates substantially (i.e., not the increase to 1-1.5% that's expected by year-end but instead to a historically moderately high but not totally outrageous figure like 6-8%).

Also, Gass, sorry, deleted that post myself before your post when I realized how off-topic it was. But I guess this thread is getting into a bunch of off-topic considerations.
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« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2017, 06:33:08 PM »

What a biased poll...

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