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« on: February 02, 2017, 09:50:20 PM »
« edited: February 02, 2017, 09:59:34 PM by Hindsight is 2020 »

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This has Bannon written all over it http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/white-house-holocaust-jews-234572
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2017, 09:52:56 PM »


This has fake news written all over it.

Which you seem to love posting here.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 10:00:51 PM »

Anything I don't like is fake news despite the fact it comes from a respected source
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 10:02:00 PM »


"iz fak neuwz"
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 10:14:03 PM »


Is there a particular point in that article that you disagree with the stated facts on, or do you just not like the story?
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2017, 10:15:51 PM »

it's lovely to see how many rank-and-files republicans, even those who are NOT big putin fans, have just co-opted the russian strategy of killing the possibility of truth itself through calling everything fake news.

in that world infowars gets a chair at white house press conferences cause nothing matters and they aren't worse as the NYT, amirite?

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2017, 10:19:29 PM »

it's lovely to see how many rank-and-files republicans, even those who are NOT big putin fans, have just co-opted the russian strategy of killing the possibility of truth itself through calling everything fake news.

in that world infowars gets a chair at white house press conferences cause nothing matters and they aren't worse as the NYT, amirite?



-That says less about infowars and more about the NYT's dishonesty.
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2017, 10:21:41 PM »

11 million people died in the Holocaust, at least. We're not special, and the Holocaust tore apart countless families, Jewish and non Jewish. No need to single us out in an attempt to make people subconsciously value the Jewish victims more than the others. I really don't see the issue here.
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2017, 10:23:09 PM »

That says less about infowars and more about the NYT's dishonesty.

it says a lot about whataboutism and nihilism.

the right of today is like the generation of 1968 - radical and revolutionary.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2017, 10:25:32 PM »

Can the Branch Trumpidians prove this is fake news?
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2017, 10:25:47 PM »

11 million people died in the Holocaust, at least. We're not special, and the Holocaust tore apart countless families, Jewish and non Jewish. No need to single us out in an attempt to make people subconsciously value the Jewish victims more than the others. I really don't see the issue here.
But if the special mention is removed purposely by a well known anti-semite?  Is that okay?
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2017, 10:28:19 PM »

You idiots. I see no reason to engage with people who will apologize over something this blatantly wrong.

Go join your pal Ahmadinejad.
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2017, 10:28:44 PM »

11 million people died in the Holocaust, at least. We're not special, and the Holocaust tore apart countless families, Jewish and non Jewish. No need to single us out in an attempt to make people subconsciously value the Jewish victims more than the others. I really don't see the issue here.
But if the special mention is removed purposely by a well known anti-semite?  Is that okay?
Other than a vengeful ex wife, where is the proof that Bannon is an antisemite? As I've said before he's vile, and almost certainly a racist, but I see no evidence that he has an issue with Jews.
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2017, 10:46:01 PM »

11 million people died in the Holocaust, at least. We're not special, and the Holocaust tore apart countless families, Jewish and non Jewish. No need to single us out in an attempt to make people subconsciously value the Jewish victims more than the others. I really don't see the issue here.
But if the special mention is removed purposely by a well known anti-semite?  Is that okay?
Other than a vengeful ex wife, where is the proof that Bannon is an antisemite? As I've said before he's vile, and almost certainly a racist, but I see no evidence that he has an issue with Jews.
Yeah.. I imagine if I was a battered wife, I'd probably tell people about the time he went on and on about Jews as well.
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2017, 10:48:39 PM »

Never ascribe to malice what can be ascribed to sheer incompetence. The Trump Administration, given how pro-Israel it is, is decidedly not anti-Semitic. If they were genuinely anti-Semitic, they would be far more pro-Palestinian or equivocal about Israel v. Palestine. Instead, they're very genuinely pro-Israel.
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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2017, 10:51:27 PM »

Never ascribe to malice what can be ascribed to sheer incompetence. The Trump Administration, given how pro-Israel it is, is decidedly not anti-Semitic. If they were genuinely anti-Semitic, they would be far more pro-Palestinian or equivocal about Israel v. Palestine. Instead, they're very genuinely pro-Israel.
The evangelicals just want to achieve the second coming. Israel's just a means to an end. The Jews, for all they care, can burn in hell once Jesus comes back.

So not necessarily.
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2017, 10:52:40 PM »

No one gets upset about the millions of Catholics who died in the Holocaust not getting a mention. smh
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2017, 10:53:18 PM »

which administration in the first place?

no one should believe that tillerson, mattis, trump, bannon et al. are on one sheet regarding the big questions.

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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2017, 10:54:19 PM »

No one gets upset about the millions of Catholics who died in the Holocaust not getting a mention. smh

The term specifically refers to Jewish victims of Nazi genocide.

11 million people died in the Holocaust, at least. We're not special, and the Holocaust tore apart countless families, Jewish and non Jewish. No need to single us out in an attempt to make people subconsciously value the Jewish victims more than the others. I really don't see the issue here.
But if the special mention is removed purposely by a well known anti-semite?  Is that okay?
Other than a vengeful ex wife, where is the proof that Bannon is an antisemite? As I've said before he's vile, and almost certainly a racist, but I see no evidence that he has an issue with Jews.

The alt right milieu is rife with antisemitism
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2017, 10:55:54 PM »

No one gets upset about the millions of Catholics who died in the Holocaust not getting a mention. smh

the word holocaust itself is directly connected to the suffering of jewry.

surely millions of catholics died in the second world war and many brave christians were killed by hitler.

but....

christians haven't been perescuted in any comparable way for being christians...simple as that.

if you meant your post in a different way, just ignore me. Wink
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2017, 10:56:21 PM »

No one gets upset about the millions of Catholics who died in the Holocaust not getting a mention. smh
Millions?
Remember, realisticidealist.. many of those gays were technically catholic.  But gay is who you are... Catholic is a lifestyle you choose.
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2017, 10:56:53 PM »
« Edited: February 02, 2017, 11:01:12 PM by realisticidealist »

No one gets upset about the millions of Catholics who died in the Holocaust not getting a mention. smh

The term specifically refers to Jewish victims of Nazi genocide.

I've always heard that the Holocaust refers to all 11 million victims of Nazi genocide...
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2017, 10:58:13 PM »
« Edited: February 02, 2017, 11:00:27 PM by realisticidealist »

No one gets upset about the millions of Catholics who died in the Holocaust not getting a mention. smh
Millions?

Uh... There were two million Catholic Poles killed in the Holocaust. Most of the Eastern concentration camps were set up to house Poles long before they housed Jews. Jews only showed up in large numbers in Auschwitz in late 1941.
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2017, 11:01:57 PM »

Uh... There were two million Catholic Poles killed in the Holocaust. Most of the Eastern concentration camps were set up to house Poles long before they housed Jews. Jews only showed up in large numbers in Auschwitz in late 1941.

this is absolutely correct.

but those were killed cause they have been "slavic untermenschen" and not cause they were christians.

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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2017, 11:02:06 PM »

No one gets upset about the millions of Catholics who died in the Holocaust not getting a mention. smh

The term specifically refers to Jewish victims of Nazi genocide.

I've always heard that the Holocaust refers to all the 11 million victims of Nazi genocide...
Any cursory googling would tell you that's incorrect and the term is applied specifically to Jewish victims. For example, Roma call their genocide the Porajmos, not the Holocaust.
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