What truly doomed Hillary?

[All Along The Watchtower]

The fact that she's a part of the same elite, dominant economic/political/cultural/media class whose disdain for and alarm at Donald Trump was (and is) only matched by their thinly veiled contempt for the "little" people (who have been hurt so much by the same contemporary economic, social, and political trends that have concentrated so much wealth, power, and influence into the hands of said elite). "Clearing the field" and poisoning the well vis-à-vis any alternatives to her candidacy in the Democratic primaries ("America will never vote for an atheist Socialist Jew from Vermont lmao") only made matters worse and fed into existing negative public perceptions of her (which, lest we forget, have existed for literally the past two decades).

[elcorazon]

the second x chromosome allowed people to latch onto all of these things and elect a con artist Russian stooge. sad

[Fuzzy Bear]

the second x chromosome allowed people to latch onto all of these things and elect a con artist Russian stooge. sad

But, of course, if I, or someone else made a comment like this about the "y" chromosome, we'd be sexist deplorables.  Just pointing out attempts of trying to have it both ways.

Hillary needs to keep sticking to that line, however.  It's all she's got left.

[heatcharger]

Hillary needs to keep sticking to that line, however.  It's all she's got left.

Why are you speaking as if the campaign is still ongoing and that Hillary is an active participant in politics right now? This is not very healthy in my opinion.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Hillary needs to keep sticking to that line, however.  It's all she's got left.

Why are you speaking as if the campaign is still ongoing and that Hillary is an active participant in politics right now? This is not very healthy in my opinion.

I fully believe that Hillary is thinking about 2020.  She's Willa Jennifer Bryan Clinton, lol.

[heatcharger]

Hillary needs to keep sticking to that line, however.  It's all she's got left.

Why are you speaking as if the campaign is still ongoing and that Hillary is an active participant in politics right now? This is not very healthy in my opinion.

I fully believe that Hillary is thinking about 2020.  She's Willa Jennifer Bryan Clinton, lol.

This is merely a Republican wet dream fueled by bored political writers who like speculating. All retread candidates who ended up getting their party's nomination again (Jennings Bryan, Dewey, Stevenson, Nixon, Romney) were not 73 and on their third presidential run. I encourage you not to keep clinging to the delusional hope that Hillary will run again.

[The_Doctor]

I repeat, this woman lost to the Donald. Anyone who lost to him should be disbarred from politics and Hillary seems to be.

[Free Bird]

Trump appealed to the rust belt since they didn't feel what recovery there was, and had felt betrayed by free trade, therefore seeing an appeal in his protectionist message. Hillary also didn't do herself any favors by appearing to be pandering and artificial to the public, and her reliance on identity politics to the point of insulting people didn't help, either.

[elcorazon]

the second x chromosome allowed people to latch onto all of these things and elect a con artist Russian stooge. sad

But, of course, if I, or someone else made a comment like this about the "y" chromosome, we'd be sexist deplorables.  Just pointing out attempts of trying to have it both ways.

Hillary needs to keep sticking to that line, however.  It's all she's got left.

huh. I don't get your point. You're saying if some Man lost to a woman and you blamed it on him being a man, we'd call you deplorable. I don't think so. I think you'd be wrong, most likely but not deplorable (this time). I believe that our society holds women to a different standard and many of the things that people hate about Hillary are magnified because she is a woman and would in some cases be a non-issue or in others be less significant if she were a man. This overall negative impression of her is partly caused by her gender. This impression led to all of the "fake news" and overemphasized "scandals" being believed and/or overvalued and causing many mainstream voters to equate the two candidates in a way that led to many staying home, others voting third party and still others voting Trump - all of which combined to swing the election to the con man. sad.

[Stranger in a strange land]

the second x chromosome allowed people to latch onto all of these things and elect a con artist Russian stooge. sad

But, of course, if I, or someone else made a comment like this about the "y" chromosome, we'd be sexist deplorables.  Just pointing out attempts of trying to have it both ways.

Hillary needs to keep sticking to that line, however.  It's all she's got left.

huh. I don't get your point. You're saying if some Man lost to a woman and you blamed it on him being a man, we'd call you deplorable. I don't think so. I think you'd be wrong, most likely but not deplorable (this time). I believe that our society holds women to a different standard and many of the things that people hate about Hillary are magnified because she is a woman and would in some cases be a non-issue or in others be less significant if she were a man. This overall negative impression of her is partly caused by her gender. This impression led to all of the "fake news" and overemphasized "scandals" being believed and/or overvalued and causing many mainstream voters to equate the two candidates in a way that led to many staying home, others voting third party and still others voting Trump - all of which combined to swing the election to the con man. sad.

This is completely true and why I'm deathly terrified of an Elizabeth Warren candidacy.

[Fuzzy Bear]

the second x chromosome allowed people to latch onto all of these things and elect a con artist Russian stooge. sad

But, of course, if I, or someone else made a comment like this about the "y" chromosome, we'd be sexist deplorables.  Just pointing out attempts of trying to have it both ways.

Hillary needs to keep sticking to that line, however.  It's all she's got left.

huh. I don't get your point. You're saying if some Man lost to a woman and you blamed it on him being a man, we'd call you deplorable. I don't think so. I think you'd be wrong, most likely but not deplorable (this time). I believe that our society holds women to a different standard and many of the things that people hate about Hillary are magnified because she is a woman and would in some cases be a non-issue or in others be less significant if she were a man. This overall negative impression of her is partly caused by her gender. This impression led to all of the "fake news" and overemphasized "scandals" being believed and/or overvalued and causing many mainstream voters to equate the two candidates in a way that led to many staying home, others voting third party and still others voting Trump - all of which combined to swing the election to the con man. sad.

This is completely true and why I'm deathly terrified of an Elizabeth Warren candidacy.

Hillary Clinton isn't held to a higher standard because she's a woman.  She's held to the same standards as anyone else, but she's in the unique position of being a key figure in the Administration of her husband.  In that role, she instigated the firings of the White House Travel Office, provided cover for her husbands myriad sex scandals, and actively worked to destroy the reputations of Bill's accusers (victims, if true).  She has spent a lifetime in politics as a Feminist Liberal in politics, however conservative she may be on other issues, who trashed persons who accused her husband of sexual improprieties all the way up to forced sexual assault.

People who act as she did toward sexual assault accusers (victims?) are labeled hypocrites, and rightly so, when they espouse the opinions Hillary espouses on the subject.  That's the way of the world.  Religious male hypocrites get this flak all the time, and deservedly so.  What doesn't help hypocrites in politics, regardless of gender, are poor attempts to lie in order to avoid a worse tag.  Hillary gets caught in lies; she isn't a good liar.  Such people get hosed in politics.

I'll put it this way:  Hillary Clinton is a woman who, in life, faked a Southern accent.  Listen to her old tapes; you'll see it's true.  Think about it.  No one likes phonies and fakes, regardless of gender.  That's why the "Pocohantas" moniker stick to Elizabeth Warren (although she's nowhere near the phony Hillary is in a myriad of ways). 

[This Has Only Just Begun]

You guys are putting a little bit too much thought into this.

She lost because the DNC thought that the same coalition that voted for a cool, charismatic, young black man would somehow turn out in full force again for a boring old white lady: the antithesis of Obama.

They didn't. Zoinks!

LMAO.  The points that millions of Americans have been making all stated succintly in about 50 words.

Impressive.

[This Has Only Just Begun]

Hillary needs to keep sticking to that line, however.  It's all she's got left.

Why are you speaking as if the campaign is still ongoing and that Hillary is an active participant in politics right now? This is not very healthy in my opinion.

It's hard for Fuzzy Bear to understand considering that it is nearly four months after the election and many Hillbots are still voicing the opinion that NOTHING WENT WRONG.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Hillary needs to keep sticking to that line, however.  It's all she's got left.

Why are you speaking as if the campaign is still ongoing and that Hillary is an active participant in politics right now? This is not very healthy in my opinion.

It's hard for Fuzzy Bear to understand considering that it is nearly four months after the election and many Hillbots are still voicing the opinion that NOTHING WENT WRONG.

She won't get that message until 80% of her donors personally convey to her the fact that the cash box is closed to her.

I have no doubt she'd like to run again, wants to run again, and is planning in her mind a 2020 run.  Initially, I thought this preposterous, but when I see the names floated as Trump opponents, I can't believe that she'll "pass the baton to a new generation of leadership".  It won't matter if we're talking about a woman, either.  SHE want that honor for HERSELF.

It's possible that she could put the e-mails to rest once and for all.  If no one goes after her, legally, for the Clinton Foundation issues, that stuff may fade away as well.  But the surreal stuff, the Vince Foster stuff, the 47 people dying, won't go away, however illogical it may be.  And Benghazi will grow bigger; over time, she'll be seen as someone who didn't give a crap and let these men die.  Fair or not, it's going to play out that way, IMO.  But she won't go quietly; she's the sorest Democratic loser since Al Smith in 1928.