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Dr. Arch
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« on: February 03, 2017, 09:52:55 PM »


This could open up a world of insanity if turned into precedent. Granting constitutional rights to non-citizens on foreign soil?

It has nothing to do with the non-citizens' rights so much as the EO directly violating the constitution in nature by targeting a group of non-citizens based on their religion.
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2017, 10:22:39 PM »


This could open up a world of insanity if turned into precedent. Granting constitutional rights to non-citizens on foreign soil?

It has nothing to do with the non-citizens' rights so much as the EO directly violating the constitution in nature by targeting a group of non-citizens based on their religion.

Well actually it does. What standing does the plaintiff have in this case? How can you infringe on freedom of religion for someone who is not a citizen and not on us soil? How can you extend equal protection to visa cancellations?


There's a million reasons you may not like the EO, but if it is ruled unconstitutional on the basis of religious discrimination it opens up a can of worms like we've never seen before in our legal system.

In that sense, you have a point, but note that the EO also targeted permanent residents with Green Cards, who are protected and afforded those rights.
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2017, 09:53:19 AM »

I don't think his restraining order will hold up, and thankfully, many of the visas that were already revoked will take months to get back if they even try. By then, hopefully, the President's order will be re-instated.

It is more important to protect American's safety than to protect the emotional feelings of foreigners. Safety first. Trust me, Trump has more support across the country than some on the coasts may think. The people freaking out about this never liked him anyway, so I don't get worked up about it.

FDR locked AMERICANS up in camps and Democrats idolize him. That was terrible. Saying we want a temporary ban on immigrants from certain countries is hardly that controversial.

Since when did you become Russian?  I have to assume you did so given your extreme whataboutism.  The EO did nothing to improve our safety. If anything, the botched way it was implemented degraded our security.  I agree with you that our safety is important, but I see it as more important than the emotional feelings of cowardly xenophobes, overreacting to pinpricks. Even worse, the EO doesn't target the countries from which most terrorists originate who have struck the US while here.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2017, 09:56:13 AM »

A Great point here made by Professor Adam Perkins

Adam Perkins ‏@AdamPerkinsPhD  Jan 29
 Trump's ban makes sense in human capital terms: people from the banned nations tend to be over-represented in crime & unemployment stats.





https://twitter.com/AdamPerkinsPhD/status/825687733280600068

Then it's definitely a good thing that Sweden has banned its police from saying the ethnicity of perpetrators in official police reports.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swedish-police-are-not-allowed-to-give-descriptions-of-alleged-criminals-so-as-not-to-sound-racist-a6810311.html

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Who cares about the truth? Avoiding the appearance of racism is definitely more important.

Truth... have you seen our new administration?
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