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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2017, 06:29:46 PM »

LOL @ one of these three "so-called" judges being another Dubya apointee like James Robart.

Bush 43 surely appointed great judges... or maybe the current administration is just so terrible. Probably the latter.

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« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2017, 06:31:23 PM »

Trump should appoint only conservative judges. Bush apparently appointed some liberal ones for purpose of unanimity.
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« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2017, 06:33:17 PM »

YAY
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« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2017, 06:33:46 PM »

Trump should appoint only conservative judges. Bush apparently appointed some liberal ones for purpose of unanimity.

Alternate hypothesis:  Bush's version of conservatism is quite different from Trump's version of conservatism.
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« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2017, 06:34:41 PM »

Trump should appoint only conservative judges. Bush apparently appointed some liberal ones for purpose of unanimity.

Alternate hypothesis:  Bush's version of conservatism is quite different from Trump's version of conservatism.


Yes. Bush conservatism was not nationalist/Paleocon.
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« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2017, 06:35:32 PM »

Very nice to see. Sadly, so-called president Pussygrabber is now doubtless hoping for more dead Americans to use as rhetorical bludgeons for his regime.

Is there any doubt that if there is so-much as single attack, even one that could not possibly have been prevented by the ban, Pussygrabber will attempt to blame these judges? They showed true courage and dedication to their duty, unlike the stupid, greedy coward inhabiting the Oval Office.

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« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2017, 06:40:36 PM »

"SEE YOU IN COURT, THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!"-Trump https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/829836231802515457
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« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2017, 06:42:18 PM »
« Edited: February 09, 2017, 06:44:17 PM by Runeghost »


I am far more frightened of Trump than I am of any terrorists.
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« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2017, 06:42:37 PM »


At worst, its a 4-4 ruling and the 9th circuit decision stands. At best and most likely, there will be defectors. Trump will not be happy.
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« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2017, 06:43:34 PM »

Trump already has a tweet all drafted up ready to blame the court system for any terrorist attack on his watch. Doesn't matter if the attacker would have been caught by the ban or not.
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« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2017, 06:48:19 PM »


Trump is not going to hijack planes into towers, or cause mayhem on subway stations and highways and school/nightlife shootings.
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« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2017, 06:50:07 PM »

     The courts do their business and people squabble on both sides of the aisle. Some things never do change.
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« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2017, 06:52:50 PM »


Our president sounds like a cartoon villain shouting "YOU HAVENT SEEN THE LAST OF ME", this is great
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« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2017, 06:53:11 PM »

The man is unhinged. I don't know for sure if it's just the fact we live in a Black Mirror world or something, but the man's tweet is unhinged. Also he's most likely in the residence bathrobe-tweeting.
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« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2017, 06:53:49 PM »

Also no wonder our politics is so polarizing when after a court makes a ruling someone like Peter King goes on CNN an says "they are the liberal court"
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« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2017, 06:56:48 PM »

Does it now go to an en banc hearing? Or to the SCOTUS?

Either is possible.
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« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2017, 06:58:03 PM »


Trump is not going to hijack planes into towers, or cause mayhem on subway stations and highways and school/nightlife shootings.

He's causing mayhem at the borders and killing women and kids abroad RIGHT NOW. He wants to destroy the country and turn it into some twisted parody of ourselves.

Terrorism is statistically insignificant. If you can't understand that, you're an idiot.
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« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2017, 07:05:12 PM »

Does anyone have a link to the ruling? I want to see their reasoning to see why they ruled that the Administration would lose in SCOTUS. FF ruling, although I'm worried about SCOTUS.
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« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2017, 07:07:50 PM »

Does anyone have a link to the ruling? I want to see their reasoning to see why they ruled that the Administration would lose in SCOTUS. FF ruling, although I'm worried about SCOTUS.

Should be here:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3457898/2-9-17-9th-Circuit-Order.pdf
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« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2017, 07:12:26 PM »

I highly doubt the Supreme Court would uphold this ruling. It would set a dangerous precedent. You cannot have a judge appointed to a life term overrule an executive decision by the President.

Remember, the national security of America is more important than the emotional security of foreign aliens.

Liberals are on the wrong side of history on this one, big time. 
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« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2017, 07:14:04 PM »

You cannot have a judge appointed to a life term overrule an executive decision by the President.

...yes you can?
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« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2017, 07:17:03 PM »


Trump is not going to hijack planes into towers, or cause mayhem on subway stations and highways and school/nightlife shootings.

Going to reply to this again, quoting the 9th Circuit's opinion:

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Pussygrabber is a wanna-be autocrat, and a far bigger threat to the United States than any terrorists, foreign or domestic.
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« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2017, 07:18:52 PM »

Im actually surprised. I would have thought that the Bush appointee would side with the Trump administration. He sure sounded like he would.
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« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2017, 07:19:21 PM »

And here's where Trump's tweets and commentary have come to bite him in the arse. Apparently in their view it runs afoul of the Lemon test, and thus, the First Amendment. They're also arguing there's Fifth amendment issues here.

Anyway, the fun money quote:

"The States argue that the Executive Order violates the Establishment and Equal Protection Clauses because it was intended to disfavor Muslims. In support of this argument, the States have offered evidence of numerous statements by the President about his intent to implement a “Muslim ban"as well as evidence they claim suggests that the Executive Order was intended to be that ban, including sections 5(b) and 5(e) of the Order."
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« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2017, 07:19:43 PM »

You cannot have a judge appointed to a life term overrule an executive decision by the President.

...yes you can?

Is it surprising that he has no idea what the system of checks and balances is?
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