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« on: February 05, 2017, 06:26:16 PM »

He's been very actively going after Trump on Twitter, even more than normal Democrats, and is talking about issues surrounding him that don't impact Pennsylvania. Could he be pondering a Presidential run? Of course, he'd suffer from the issue that nobody outside of Pennsylvania (and probably quite a few in Pennsylvania) except political junkies know who he is and is very boring.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2017, 06:46:48 PM »

He's also pro-life which is a nonstarter in any Democratic presidential primary and even if he changed his position it would seem very insincere.
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2017, 06:47:19 PM »

Ordinarily on paper I think he'd be good, but he has a complicated history on abortion.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2017, 07:01:59 PM »

He's also pro-life which is a nonstarter in any Democratic presidential primary and even if he changed his position it would seem very insincere.

He seems to be pulling a Harry Reid, though.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2017, 07:34:06 PM »

No. Next question?
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2017, 07:38:46 PM »

Bought and paid for by pharma, no thank you.
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2017, 07:41:23 PM »

He would get O'Malley% in Iowa, 2% in NH and then drop out
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2017, 07:43:23 PM »

I'm not sure he really has enough appeal to a particular wing of the party, nor does he have much name recognition. He's also probably not "exciting" enough.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2017, 08:18:01 PM »

Do you understand the concept of looking presidential?
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2017, 08:19:14 PM »

Maybe as Her VP.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2017, 08:23:25 PM »

He's running for re-election in 2018, that's why he's more active.  Nothing to see here (or maybe we should move this to the congressional elections board?)
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2017, 09:39:11 PM »

Pro-lifer who said he'd vote for Alito. Not happening.
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2017, 02:07:05 AM »

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern PA v. Casey

Fine, that was his dad, but you get my point.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2017, 02:10:04 AM »

I outlined a few weeks ago why I think he is the strongest Democrat in 2020:

I've been thinking this through, and I think the best possible candidate the Democrats could nominate in 2020 is Bob Casey.

1. He understands the WWC voters: He has always done well with those white working class voters in Pennsylvania that Trump won over to carry the state in 2016.  His base is also Coal Country in Northeast Pennsylvania, and he could help win back a lot of Rust Belt and Coal Country votes.

2. He represents what will likely be the most important state in 2020: Pennsylvania, with its Even or R+1 PVI and its 20 electoral votes, will be the most hotly contested presidential battleground in 2020.  And, assuming he wins reelection in 2018, he would be in a good position to take back the state for the Democrats.

3. He is somewhat pro-life: One of Hillary Clinton's biggest weaknesses this year was here support of a radical policy on abortion.  I think that, if she did not unapologetically defend late-term abortion and advocate repealing the Hyde Amendment, she would have won more votes of suburban conservatives wary about Trump, but who could not vote for that radical of a position on abortion.  He won't flip the most hardcore pro-lifers, but he could get some of these aforementioned voters (which are plentiful in potentially competitive states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida) with his pro-life with exceptions stance.

4. But, at the same time, liberals can't call him a social conservative: Other than on certain nuances of abortion and guns, Casey largely toes the liberal "party" line on social and economic issues.  Despite opposing abortion, he actually supports Planned Parenthood.  He's generally pretty liberal except on the few issues that have turned off so many voters to the Democratic Party.

But, hey, go ahead and ignore my advice, saying that I'm a Republican who doesn't know what's best for the Democrats.  I think he is your best candidate.

But, please, go ahead and ignore my advice!
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2017, 03:13:01 AM »

One of the gang of 13 that voted against the Sanders-Klobuchar amendment. No thanks.
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2017, 03:21:51 AM »

The guy is close to me ideologically, so I would love a President Casey (pro-life Dem & all). But I am never going to get my hopes up that he could do remotely well in the primary, and he doesn't strike me as the strongest personality to go up against our current president.
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2017, 03:44:52 AM »

One of the gang of 13 that voted against the Sanders-Klobuchar amendment. No thanks.

Yea, This does it for me.
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2017, 07:19:22 AM »

I outlined a few weeks ago why I think he is the strongest Democrat in 2020:

I've been thinking this through, and I think the best possible candidate the Democrats could nominate in 2020 is Bob Casey.

1. He understands the WWC voters: He has always done well with those white working class voters in Pennsylvania that Trump won over to carry the state in 2016.  His base is also Coal Country in Northeast Pennsylvania, and he could help win back a lot of Rust Belt and Coal Country votes.

2. He represents what will likely be the most important state in 2020: Pennsylvania, with its Even or R+1 PVI and its 20 electoral votes, will be the most hotly contested presidential battleground in 2020.  And, assuming he wins reelection in 2018, he would be in a good position to take back the state for the Democrats.

3. He is somewhat pro-life: One of Hillary Clinton's biggest weaknesses this year was here support of a radical policy on abortion.  I think that, if she did not unapologetically defend late-term abortion and advocate repealing the Hyde Amendment, she would have won more votes of suburban conservatives wary about Trump, but who could not vote for that radical of a position on abortion.  He won't flip the most hardcore pro-lifers, but he could get some of these aforementioned voters (which are plentiful in potentially competitive states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida) with his pro-life with exceptions stance.

4. But, at the same time, liberals can't call him a social conservative: Other than on certain nuances of abortion and guns, Casey largely toes the liberal "party" line on social and economic issues.  Despite opposing abortion, he actually supports Planned Parenthood.  He's generally pretty liberal except on the few issues that have turned off so many voters to the Democratic Party.

But, hey, go ahead and ignore my advice, saying that I'm a Republican who doesn't know what's best for the Democrats.  I think he is your best candidate.

But, please, go ahead and ignore my advice!

All this is true.  But if they wouldn't even let his father speak at the convention in 1992, are they going to nominate a guy who may even be a weak pro-lifer?

The Feminist Left has boxed in the Democratic Party to where they have chosen to the appeal to the socially liberal professional class ahead of the socially conservative working class.  Good job, Dems!
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2017, 11:32:34 AM »

I outlined a few weeks ago why I think he is the strongest Democrat in 2020:

I've been thinking this through, and I think the best possible candidate the Democrats could nominate in 2020 is Bob Casey.

1. He understands the WWC voters: He has always done well with those white working class voters in Pennsylvania that Trump won over to carry the state in 2016.  His base is also Coal Country in Northeast Pennsylvania, and he could help win back a lot of Rust Belt and Coal Country votes.

2. He represents what will likely be the most important state in 2020: Pennsylvania, with its Even or R+1 PVI and its 20 electoral votes, will be the most hotly contested presidential battleground in 2020.  And, assuming he wins reelection in 2018, he would be in a good position to take back the state for the Democrats.

3. He is somewhat pro-life: One of Hillary Clinton's biggest weaknesses this year was here support of a radical policy on abortion.  I think that, if she did not unapologetically defend late-term abortion and advocate repealing the Hyde Amendment, she would have won more votes of suburban conservatives wary about Trump, but who could not vote for that radical of a position on abortion.  He won't flip the most hardcore pro-lifers, but he could get some of these aforementioned voters (which are plentiful in potentially competitive states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida) with his pro-life with exceptions stance.

4. But, at the same time, liberals can't call him a social conservative: Other than on certain nuances of abortion and guns, Casey largely toes the liberal "party" line on social and economic issues.  Despite opposing abortion, he actually supports Planned Parenthood.  He's generally pretty liberal except on the few issues that have turned off so many voters to the Democratic Party.

But, hey, go ahead and ignore my advice, saying that I'm a Republican who doesn't know what's best for the Democrats.  I think he is your best candidate.

But, please, go ahead and ignore my advice!

All this is true.  But if they wouldn't even let his father speak at the convention in 1992, are they going to nominate a guy who may even be a weak pro-lifer?

The Feminist Left has boxed in the Democratic Party to where they have chosen to the appeal to the socially liberal professional class ahead of the socially conservative working class.  Good job, Dems!

How do I do the eye roll emjoi?
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2017, 11:45:49 AM »

Could very possibly win a general election; would never win a Dem primary. Basically a Democratic John Kasich.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2017, 01:12:09 PM »

Isn't Casey's abortion stance the same as Bidens?
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2017, 02:16:45 PM »

He clearly doesn't have the factional or institutional support to run for President, but he could be a very strong vice-presidential possibility for virtually any candidate, and I think he's essentially laying the groundwork for that right now.
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2017, 08:27:57 PM »

Isn't Casey's abortion stance the same as Bidens?
Casey will be credited with his father's abortion stance, deserved or not.

Bob Casey, Sr. was denied a speaking spot at the 1992 Democratic National Convention because he wanted to discuss the abortion issue.  He was shut down, and while he supported Clinton, he wasn't enthusiastic about it after being smacked down.  (I believe the Casey smackdown in 1992 drove Gov. William Donald Schaefer (D-MD) to endorse Bush at the last minute, but Schaefer was a bit idiosyncratic, so a number of things could have drove that.)
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