When will we break away from the two party system?
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Sir Mohamed
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2017, 10:35:00 AM »

Never going to happen under the current rule of law. But even with a direct PV election it is unlikely. Just look at the states, where we have no EC. How many independent/third party governors do we have or did we have the last few decades? Not that much. Bill Walker’s (I-AK) election was only possible due to the withdrawal of Dem candidate (Byron Malott) and a flawed GOP incumbent. The reason the two-party system will prevail/has prevailed since the early 19th century is the election by majority and not proportional.

1. Not in our political system


2. We shouldn't. Two parties mean that governing coalitions are clear and chosen by voters. In multi-party systems, it's more undemocratic, with the governing coalitions being chosen after elections with backroom dealing.

I agree, especially with the second point. I think it’s also problematic when the governing party only got about 30% of the vote. That is no real mandate. In some cases even less, when the party system is split in a large scale. See Netherlands or Israel. A too fractured legislature makes governing very complicated and often forces members of the parliament to vote strictly with their party instead of their own judgement.

I'm very surprised nobody's ever run for President on the populist platform of "give you more choices" promising to call an Article V Convention, change the system, and break the duopoly. More than 60% of people weren't satisfied with their two choices in 2016, and thought they deserved better. It could be a winning issue.



It may be an important issue, but no winning issue alone. These 60% probably consist both a significant share of Republicans and Democrats alike. So, a third candidate running on such a populist platform would also have to address other issues important to voters. Economy, taxes, health care, environment, gay marriage, abortion, terrorism, military etc. If he/she is leaning towards to the right of left on these issues, it could alienate either liberals or conservatives and cause them to vote again for the GOP or Dem candidate. Not to mention that it is very difficult to build a full campaign operation at the national level. You need people, resources and at least a billion dollars to run a national campaign.
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2017, 11:04:51 AM »

I think eventually you can see a third party called the "Moderate Party" which would consist off Centrists and Establishment types or you could see a "Populist Party" rise up as a third party.

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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2017, 11:30:53 AM »

I think eventually you can see a third party called the "Moderate Party" which would consist off Centrists and Establishment types or you could see a "Populist Party" rise up as a third party.

You couldn't because when those types of movements do pop up, one (or both of) the major parties moved to copy those policy stances.
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2017, 11:52:08 AM »

I actually think it is more likely that a further left-wing party emerges than any sort of centrist party. The Democrats kind of already operate in that space.
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2017, 12:31:23 PM »



In the USA, can a Congressman President leave the Republicans and/or Democrats and start their own individual party?

Teddy Roosevelt did this in 1912. He tried to get the Republican nomination, but it went to incumbent president (and Roosevelt's Secretary of War). In protest, Teddy walked out of GOP convention and created the Progressive Party, which got in 2nd place in the election and carried 6 states to Wilson's 40, and Taft's 2. But this shows the risk for any party split - both halves lose and let the original oppositition party win. Some may say the same happened in 2000 and 2016, that excessive third party support cost the ruling party the presidency.
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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2017, 04:57:55 AM »

to me Kasich/Bloomberg could have thrown the election to the house where they would have won

What state would they have won?

Ohio,Utah, New Hampshire, and flips Michigan and Penn to Hillary
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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2017, 10:29:52 AM »

No way they would have won those states. Horrible combination. Kasich would only have had a chance of winning Ohio, and Bloomberg would ruin that chance.
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2017, 10:53:13 AM »
« Edited: February 08, 2017, 12:07:16 PM by pbrower2a »

We have. The Republicans are now acting as if they are the only game in town, much like the Communist Party in China.
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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2017, 11:09:06 AM »

you have had a chance a few decades before....but the senate killed the bill which would have deconstructed the EC after passing the house.
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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2017, 12:28:32 PM »

This nation will sooner collapse then abandon the cancer known as the two-party system.
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