Politico: Cotton and Trump plot crackdown on legal immigration
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
March 28, 2024, 07:47:53 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  U.S. General Discussion (Moderators: The Dowager Mod, Chancellor Tanterterg)
  Politico: Cotton and Trump plot crackdown on legal immigration
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 [3]
Author Topic: Politico: Cotton and Trump plot crackdown on legal immigration  (Read 2225 times)
DavidB.
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,612
Israel


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: 4.26


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2017, 09:51:18 PM »

Lmao, WillipsBrighton has literally explained his position thoroughly and all you can do is use words liberals find Very Bad and Impressive? Crying racism doesn't make you "win" the debate.
Logged
Jeffster
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 476
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2017, 09:51:58 PM »

Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

Isn't it amazing that you have a liberal Democrat and a Republican agreeing on this issue against other members of both parties? All this rhetoric against immigrants being espoused here, either due to opposition to diversity or supposed negative effects on our economy, are due to bigotry or lack of understanding regarding economics.

You just want to import voters, while the other @sshole just wants cheap labor. Those of us in the middle have caught on to this nonsense that has been going on in this country for decades. So you can take your charges of racism and economic ignorance and shove it up your @sses.
Logged
Famous Mortimer
WillipsBrighton
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,010
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2017, 09:53:07 PM »

Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

Isn't it amazing that you have a liberal Democrat and a Republican agreeing on this issue against other members of both parties? All this rhetoric against immigrants being espoused here, either due to opposition to diversity or supposed negative effects on our economy, are due to bigotry or lack of understanding regarding economics.

Isn't it weird that Cory Booker and Hillary Clinton and other noxious neo-liberals can break bread with supposed socialists and radicals over open borders? They won't even back socialized medicine because it hurts the bottom line of their corporate bakers. But they will back a much more "leftist" line about immigration. Why do you think that is? Because open borders lowers the wages corporations have to pay.

The people who run the economy think immigration lowers wages, that's why they back it, and since we have allowed mass immigration, wages have gone down. Simple.
Logged
Cassius
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,591


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2017, 09:55:03 PM »

Don't put your children down Badger, you might get debarred for that.
Logged
JA
Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,956
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2017, 10:00:59 PM »

Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

Isn't it amazing that you have a liberal Democrat and a Republican agreeing on this issue against other members of both parties? All this rhetoric against immigrants being espoused here, either due to opposition to diversity or supposed negative effects on our economy, are due to bigotry or lack of understanding regarding economics.

You just want to import voters, while the other @sshole just wants cheap labor. Those of us in the middle have caught on to this nonsense that has been going on in this country for decades. So you can take your charges of racism and economic ignorance and shove it up your @sses.

Oh, quit your histrionic nonsense. Badger isn't some champion of cheap labor and I'm not interested in importing Democratic voters. I simply believe we're a nation of immigrants who can and should be a land of opportunity as well, not only for those who had the random chance of being born here, but for those not born here as well. Those immigrants not only positively contribute to our country socially and culturally, but economically as well since the more people working and spending money here, the more jobs will be created for others. It's simple economics. There should be, of course, robust minimum wage and fair labor laws to protect both native and immigrant workers, so that everyone benefits. You're simply ignorant of the basics of economics, thus you target immigrants as a scapegoat. This is nothing new, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.
Logged
Famous Mortimer
WillipsBrighton
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,010
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2017, 10:05:01 PM »
« Edited: February 07, 2017, 10:06:39 PM by Famous Mortimer »

Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

Isn't it amazing that you have a liberal Democrat and a Republican agreeing on this issue against other members of both parties? All this rhetoric against immigrants being espoused here, either due to opposition to diversity or supposed negative effects on our economy, are due to bigotry or lack of understanding regarding economics.

You just want to import voters, while the other @sshole just wants cheap labor. Those of us in the middle have caught on to this nonsense that has been going on in this country for decades. So you can take your charges of racism and economic ignorance and shove it up your @sses.

Some corporate Democrats want to import voters. The far left don't support the Democratic Party though. They want open borders because they view it as immoral that America has a higher standard of living than Nigeria. Which, one some level I can see. But I also see a case for self preservation. I think it's sad that some people are homeless. But I'm not going to invite homeless people to sleep in my apartment. You should help as much as you can without harming yourself. Our immigration policies are hurting ourselves (our workers at least) at this point.

It's also just kind of funny that the same people who want to equalize standards of living between the first and third world are also the people who complain about austerity and want the government to provide more services.
Logged
Jeffster
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 476
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2017, 10:10:38 PM »

Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

Isn't it amazing that you have a liberal Democrat and a Republican agreeing on this issue against other members of both parties? All this rhetoric against immigrants being espoused here, either due to opposition to diversity or supposed negative effects on our economy, are due to bigotry or lack of understanding regarding economics.

You just want to import voters, while the other @sshole just wants cheap labor. Those of us in the middle have caught on to this nonsense that has been going on in this country for decades. So you can take your charges of racism and economic ignorance and shove it up your @sses.

Oh, quit your histrionic nonsense. Badger isn't some champion of cheap labor and I'm not interested in importing Democratic voters. I simply believe we're a nation of immigrants who can and should be a land of opportunity as well, not only for those who had the random chance of being born here, but for those not born here as well. Those immigrants not only positively contribute to our country socially and culturally, but economically as well since the more people working and spending money here, the more jobs will be created for others. It's simple economics. There should be, of course, robust minimum wage and fair labor laws to protect both native and immigrant workers, so that everyone benefits. You're simply ignorant of the basics of economics, thus you target immigrants as a scapegoat. This is nothing new, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Even with a minimum wage, creating a glut of labor still creates downward pressure on wages to that minimum level. Unless the immigrant is highly skilled and can fill a shortage, or they come over with enough money to start a business of their own, then they are taking a job away from a citizen. Their spending won't generate enough of a multiplier to make up for the lost jobs and depressed wages.

Our trade deals and immigration policy are what has caused stagnating wages for more than 3 decades. Whole regions of our country have been left to rot, and you've clearly showed your disdain for the workers who got screwed over, so you've decided to use those immigrants to replace the working class voters that used to make up the base of the Democratic party. You don't give a crap about the working class. Your virtue signalling over immigrants is a ruse, you are really just full of crap.
Logged
Famous Mortimer
WillipsBrighton
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,010
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2017, 10:12:41 PM »
« Edited: February 07, 2017, 10:15:38 PM by Famous Mortimer »

Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

Isn't it amazing that you have a liberal Democrat and a Republican agreeing on this issue against other members of both parties? All this rhetoric against immigrants being espoused here, either due to opposition to diversity or supposed negative effects on our economy, are due to bigotry or lack of understanding regarding economics.

You just want to import voters, while the other @sshole just wants cheap labor. Those of us in the middle have caught on to this nonsense that has been going on in this country for decades. So you can take your charges of racism and economic ignorance and shove it up your @sses.

Oh, quit your histrionic nonsense. Badger isn't some champion of cheap labor and I'm not interested in importing Democratic voters. I simply believe we're a nation of immigrants who can and should be a land of opportunity as well, not only for those who had the random chance of being born here, but for those not born here as well. Those immigrants not only positively contribute to our country socially and culturally, but economically as well since the more people working and spending money here, the more jobs will be created for others. It's simple economics. There should be, of course, robust minimum wage and fair labor laws to protect both native and immigrant workers, so that everyone benefits. You're simply ignorant of the basics of economics, thus you target immigrants as a scapegoat. This is nothing new, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

The problem is there simply aren't enough resources to give everyone a chance. We can either give all the people born here a chance to have a nice middle class life. Or we can give everyone in the world a chance to work 90 hours a week in a food truck, selling stuff to people who run other food trucks, making just enough to exist.

Also, it's impossible to have a high minimum wage with a flooded labor market. This immigrant owned bodegas and restaurants liberals love to point to as examples of immigrants creating jobs, do you think they can afford $15 an hour? No. They would simply go out of business. Then what do we do with the unemployed immigrants? Just give them welfare? Then we are back to just offering welfare on demand to everyone in the world, based on a tax base of just Americans.

In areas with high levels of immigration like New York and LA, local governments have already exempted small (mostly immigrant owned) business from having to pay the same minimum wage. The businesses themselves demanded this because they know they can't provide that type of pay.
Logged
The_Doctor
SilentCal1924
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,271


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2017, 01:56:49 AM »
« Edited: February 08, 2017, 01:59:04 AM by TD »

Let's call a spade a spade. A sizable chunk of Trump voters voted for this because they're worried about an imaginary racial marginalizing of whites. All the talk of economic sidelining and high minded bs about immigration being bad masks this basic cultural fear. That's not a fiction at this point as proven by 2016's campaign. EHarding speaks for a ton of Trump voters by referring to Mexico in derisive and heightened language. While I think he's a troll he ably speaks for a lot of frightened Trumpists who do actually believe this crap.

We're fine with immigration. In fact it's the reason our population grows and our economy is pretty strong. And as a matter of fact they're assimilating pretty well for the most part. It seems the natives who have the problem, really.

Logged
Famous Mortimer
WillipsBrighton
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,010
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2017, 04:36:45 AM »

Let's call a spade a spade. A sizable chunk of Trump voters voted for this because they're worried about an imaginary racial marginalizing of whites. All the talk of economic sidelining and high minded bs about immigration being bad masks this basic cultural fear. That's not a fiction at this point as proven by 2016's campaign. EHarding speaks for a ton of Trump voters by referring to Mexico in derisive and heightened language. While I think he's a troll he ably speaks for a lot of frightened Trumpists who do actually believe this crap.

We're fine with immigration. In fact it's the reason our population grows and our economy is pretty strong. And as a matter of fact they're assimilating pretty well for the most part. It seems the natives who have the problem, really.



A lot of Trump voters are absolutely racist. I don't know why people being racist would render the economic arguments against immigration moot.
Logged
Gass3268
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 27,478
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2017, 08:12:45 AM »

Graham, Flake, & McCain all say they aren't interested
Logged
Blackacre
Spenstar3D
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,172
United States


Political Matrix
E: -5.35, S: -7.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2017, 08:32:51 AM »


Perfect! If Schumer can get the Dems to all act against it as well, that'e enough votes to kill it even if it doesnt get filibustered
Logged
DavidB.
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,612
Israel


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: 4.26


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2017, 08:43:16 AM »

Just like they were totally going to vote down Tillerson, right?
Logged
The_Doctor
SilentCal1924
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,271


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2017, 09:16:01 AM »

Just off the top of my head --

1.) There are a lot of highly skilled immigrants who do come here. Trump wants to curtail the HB-1 visa, because he thinks local IT talent are being harmed. He's wrong. The IT and tech industry have said specifically the HB-1 visa is essential to Silicon Valley and innovation. But foreign IT has helped create a lot of innovation for the United States. Dropbox, Tinder, Google, whatever. The president of Google is Indian, for example.

So, for one, the HB-1 visa should NOT be curtailed.

2.) Most economists say immigration usually help out the United States. Now with automation that may change, but honestly, menial jobs like fruit picking, cleaning hotels, etc are done by poor immigrants. They're not something that more settled (read: white) Americans will do.

Should we have criteria-based immigration visas? Yes. We should. We should have x going to various nations for fruit picking, hotel cleaning, etc and we should decide that on a neutral formula (read: not decided by Trump). We should maintain the HB-1 visa. Etc etc. Should we build a wall? No, because it's cost ineffective. Should we have e-Verify to make sure everyone in the United States is legal? Absolutely. (Note: I am a center-right conservative on immigration. More Bush 43).

I would point out that immigration has not really dented the unemployment rate since the Great Migration started in 1965. We've managed to have a very healthy economy on balance and the Great Recession was due to other factors, not immigration.

Most economists believe immigration is a net benefit to the United States. I tend to agree. I'll link an article later.
Logged
True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
Ernest
Moderators
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 42,157
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2017, 09:21:43 AM »

Why do we need a reduction in immigration? If anything we need to dramatically increase the number of immigrants, refugees, and asylum seekers into our country.
We're probably at the optimal level of immigration now. It's reasonably easy for high-skill or entrepreneurial immigrants to come here. Because of quality of life issues, it's not surprising that they'd want to able to bring their close family as well. I wouldn't mind tweaking the system to make the proportion of immigrants who arrive here legally higher, but going higher on the total number of immigrants would impede our ability to sew them into the American tapestry.
Logged
Gass3268
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 27,478
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2017, 09:43:14 AM »


I'd argue this is different. Also, I can imagine Collins, Toomey, Murkowski, Portman, etc being against this as well. This is an issue that legitimately divides the Republican Party.
Logged
Mr. Morden
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 44,073
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2017, 09:50:11 AM »


I'd argue this is different. Also, I can imagine Collins, Toomey, Murkowski, Portman, etc being against this as well. This is an issue that legitimately divides the Republican Party.

As I was saying in another thread just yesterday: Yes, basically the entire GOP caucus in the Senate is going along with Trump on personnel.  But that's normal.  Senators always back a president from their own party on personnel.  Once we go from personnel to actual policy though, that's where presidents will face some resistance from their own party.  It's already playing out on health care, and it'll play out on immigration and other issues.
Logged
KingSweden
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,227
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2017, 11:31:03 AM »

I don't think shifting to an immigration/refugee model more similar to Canada's is the worst idea in the world. They're obviously making this multiculturalism thing work better than most other Western societies.

That said, I don't think that's what Senator Cotton is aiming for here
Logged
Storebought
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,326
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2017, 12:42:57 PM »

Just off the top of my head --

1.) There are a lot of highly skilled immigrants who do come here. Trump wants to curtail the HB-1 visa, because he thinks local IT talent are being harmed. He's wrong. The IT and tech industry have said specifically the HB-1 visa is essential to Silicon Valley and innovation. But foreign IT has helped create a lot of innovation for the United States. Dropbox, Tinder, Google, whatever. The president of Google is Indian, for example.

So, for one, the HB-1 visa should NOT be curtailed.

2.) Most economists say immigration usually help out the United States. Now with automation that may change, but honestly, menial jobs like fruit picking, cleaning hotels, etc are done by poor immigrants. They're not something that more settled (read: white) Americans will do.

Should we have criteria-based immigration visas? Yes. We should. We should have x going to various nations for fruit picking, hotel cleaning, etc and we should decide that on a neutral formula (read: not decided by Trump). We should maintain the HB-1 visa. Etc etc. Should we build a wall? No, because it's cost ineffective. Should we have e-Verify to make sure everyone in the United States is legal? Absolutely. (Note: I am a center-right conservative on immigration. More Bush 43).

I would point out that immigration has not really dented the unemployment rate since the Great Migration started in 1965. We've managed to have a very healthy economy on balance and the Great Recession was due to other factors, not immigration.

Most economists believe immigration is a net benefit to the United States. I tend to agree. I'll link an article later.

I disagree about the absolute need for H-1B visas. There are already visas available to immigrants possessing vital skills that haven't been fraught with the documented abuse of the H-1B visa regime.

And I also disagree with the "jobs Americans won't do" argument. That categorization is overly broad -- it encloses entire swathes of the economy. It's nonsense to suggest that American-born workers aren't willing to work fast food, clean hotels (my mom was a hotel cleaner before she got her first permanent job), or do sweaty unskilled construction or warehouse work. Or, for that matter, become university professors or start engineering companies.

I concede with that few Americans undertake farm labor, but that's because Americans are more than 85% urbanized and live miles away from any farm, and a large proportion have no relatives who do. Not to mention, farm work in the US is very heavily mechanized -- most of the underemployment of the rural population stems from that fact alone.

But in general I agree with the thrust of your post. The parts of the US most adamant against immigration are the places that receive, statistically speaking, no immigration at all -- W Va, Okla, Miss, etc. Their proportion of foreign-born residents as a proportion of population are the lowest in the country. Their opposition to immigration has little to do with some theory of economy disruption by immigrant bottom-feeders.
Logged
Sbane
sbane
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,303


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2017, 01:07:17 PM »

Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

I live in New York City and work a crappy job and I probably deal with immigrants much more than you do. I can tell you they don't really "love America". Why would someone from The Gambia love America anyway? They come here because the government will give them free money. Not because they are patriotic for a nation they have no connection to. They openly admit this. I don't fault them for it though. I would do the same thing if I was in their shoes. Who wouldn't? You'd have to be stupid not to. I do fault the government for letting them in though. Just because people want free money doesn't mean you should give it to them. I don't really know who this narrative about immigrants being "America loving" is supposed to appeal to. Liberals themselves do not love America. Conservatives just don't buy the argument because it's not true. Next.

Also, European (and Chinese) immigration 150 years ago took place in a much different world. The main difference being there wasn't a welfare state back then.

As to if there were European immigrants today. I wouldn't mind but my reason for not minding wouldn't be because they were White (although at this point many Europeans are non White). My reason for not minding would be because those people are rich. They aren't going to be on welfare because if they wanted welfare, they would just stay in their countries of origin, since the benefits are more generous there. Coincidentally, that's the reason people from Europe DON'T immigrate here in the first place.

The same is true about Japan. Japan is non White but they have a higher standard of living than we do, so we don't have to worry that the people are coming here just to collect benefits and drive down wages. Of course, just like Europe, them having a higher standard of living is also the reason they don't bother coming here anyway.

So what are your thoughts of people from places like India or China coming here and working in well paying jobs, obviously contributing more into the system than taking out of it. Would you be just as fine with it as people coming from Europe?
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [3]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.062 seconds with 11 queries.