Politico: Cotton and Trump plot crackdown on legal immigration

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1) This bill doesn't go far enough. We should have a moratorium on immigration for at least 10 years.

2) Can't understand the rationale for people who want "a mild reduction". Seems like pure Moderate Heroism. Either you acknowledge the problems caused by immigration or you don't.

3) What's the moral objection to cutting back on legal immigration? No one who isn't from the United States has the right to live in the United States. Just like someone born in the United States doesn't have the right to live in Mexico or any other country.

4) I draw the line at kicking out people we have already given residency/citizenship. I don't think they should have been let in but we did let them in. That was our bad not theirs. Now we have an obligation to them. This bill doesn't cross that line.

5) Immigration is only good the economy in the way that abolishing the top tax brackets would be good for the economy. It's good for people like the CEO of Carl's Jr but bad for regular workers who are already here, regular workers of all ethnicities. Claims that immigration doesn't decrease wages are based on wishful thinking and selective readings of studies from pro-immigration groups who themselves can't even bring themselves to lie and say it's not true and instead just go "well, we can't tell one way or the other".

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Not opposed to immigration categorically but we had the most liberal immigration policy in the industrialized world for about 40 years and now we need to compensate for that. We need AT LEAST 10 years to economically integrate (to say nothing of culturally assimilate) the people we have already let in. Maybe after 10 years, the economy will be a good position to allow new immigration (high wages, cheap housing in places people actually want to live, too many jobs) but it is very clear our economy is not in that position right now.

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Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

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I think this is all going to end up backfiring on Trump & co. pretty badly. This isn't going to be a popular policy, and like the Muslim ban and the wall, it's going to anger way more people than it's going to enthuse. Like Atlas has said about Democrats, focusing on identity politics and ethnonationalism at the expense of other issues is not going to be a good look.

This is not about ethno-nationalism or identity politics. Letting an unlimited number of poor people (of any race) come here and paying them welfare to have children is a policy that has a huge economic impact.

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Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

I live in New York City and work a crappy job and I probably deal with immigrants much more than you do. I can tell you they don't really "love America". Why would someone from The Gambia love America anyway? They come here because the government will give them free money. Not because they are patriotic for a nation they have no connection to. They openly admit this. I don't fault them for it though. I would do the same thing if I was in their shoes. Who wouldn't? You'd have to be stupid not to. I do fault the government for letting them in though. Just because people want free money doesn't mean you should give it to them. I don't really know who this narrative about immigrants being "America loving" is supposed to appeal to. Liberals themselves do not love America. Conservatives just don't buy the argument because it's not true. Next.

Also, European (and Chinese) immigration 150 years ago took place in a much different world. The main difference being there wasn't a welfare state back then.

As to if there were European immigrants today. I wouldn't mind but my reason for not minding wouldn't be because they were White (although at this point many Europeans are non White). My reason for not minding would be because those people are rich. They aren't going to be on welfare because if they wanted welfare, they would just stay in their countries of origin, since the benefits are more generous there. Coincidentally, that's the reason people from Europe DON'T immigrate here in the first place.

The same is true about Japan. Japan is non White but they have a higher standard of living than we do, so we don't have to worry that the people are coming here just to collect benefits and drive down wages. Of course, just like Europe, them having a higher standard of living is also the reason they don't bother coming here anyway.

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and European immigrants from the turn of the century WOULD have been a huge problem except for the fact that we had basically no immigration from the 1920s to the 1960s, a period which allowed those immigrants to integrate and assimilate. We need a similar period now.

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Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

Isn't it amazing that you have a liberal Democrat and a Republican agreeing on this issue against other members of both parties? All this rhetoric against immigrants being espoused here, either due to opposition to diversity or supposed negative effects on our economy, are due to bigotry or lack of understanding regarding economics.

Isn't it weird that Cory Booker and Hillary Clinton and other noxious neo-liberals can break bread with supposed socialists and radicals over open borders? They won't even back socialized medicine because it hurts the bottom line of their corporate bakers. But they will back a much more "leftist" line about immigration. Why do you think that is? Because open borders lowers the wages corporations have to pay.

The people who run the economy think immigration lowers wages, that's why they back it, and since we have allowed mass immigration, wages have gone down. Simple.

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Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

Isn't it amazing that you have a liberal Democrat and a Republican agreeing on this issue against other members of both parties? All this rhetoric against immigrants being espoused here, either due to opposition to diversity or supposed negative effects on our economy, are due to bigotry or lack of understanding regarding economics.

You just want to import voters, while the other @sshole just wants cheap labor. Those of us in the middle have caught on to this nonsense that has been going on in this country for decades. So you can take your charges of racism and economic ignorance and shove it up your @sses.

Some corporate Democrats want to import voters. The far left don't support the Democratic Party though. They want open borders because they view it as immoral that America has a higher standard of living than Nigeria. Which, one some level I can see. But I also see a case for self preservation. I think it's sad that some people are homeless. But I'm not going to invite homeless people to sleep in my apartment. You should help as much as you can without harming yourself. Our immigration policies are hurting ourselves (our workers at least) at this point.

It's also just kind of funny that the same people who want to equalize standards of living between the first and third world are also the people who complain about austerity and want the government to provide more services.

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Great to see the usual suspects blatantly promoting white supremacist garbage. Equally nice to see they've dropped their always unbelievable premise this s#!t was solely over "illegal immigrants ".

Do you think everyone everywhere has the right to live in the United States? You realize very few, if any, other countries allow people to become citizens on demand?

This isn't about allowing "citizenship on demand" you dolt, and no one but you has blithered such notions, or fails to realize the curent myriad immigration and naturalization process is a million miles from such fantastical nightmares.

Immigration brings the hardest working, most entrepreneurial , most energetic and America loving people from around the world. There isn't a single idiotic utterance you're making which wasn't bantered with equal foolishnees about Italian, Asian, and East European immigrants a century and a half ago.

No one here is fooled in believing that if most immigration came from England, Germany , and Ireland that your views would change dramatically .

Isn't it amazing that you have a liberal Democrat and a Republican agreeing on this issue against other members of both parties? All this rhetoric against immigrants being espoused here, either due to opposition to diversity or supposed negative effects on our economy, are due to bigotry or lack of understanding regarding economics.

You just want to import voters, while the other @sshole just wants cheap labor. Those of us in the middle have caught on to this nonsense that has been going on in this country for decades. So you can take your charges of racism and economic ignorance and shove it up your @sses.

Oh, quit your histrionic nonsense. Badger isn't some champion of cheap labor and I'm not interested in importing Democratic voters. I simply believe we're a nation of immigrants who can and should be a land of opportunity as well, not only for those who had the random chance of being born here, but for those not born here as well. Those immigrants not only positively contribute to our country socially and culturally, but economically as well since the more people working and spending money here, the more jobs will be created for others. It's simple economics. There should be, of course, robust minimum wage and fair labor laws to protect both native and immigrant workers, so that everyone benefits. You're simply ignorant of the basics of economics, thus you target immigrants as a scapegoat. This is nothing new, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

The problem is there simply aren't enough resources to give everyone a chance. We can either give all the people born here a chance to have a nice middle class life. Or we can give everyone in the world a chance to work 90 hours a week in a food truck, selling stuff to people who run other food trucks, making just enough to exist.

Also, it's impossible to have a high minimum wage with a flooded labor market. This immigrant owned bodegas and restaurants liberals love to point to as examples of immigrants creating jobs, do you think they can afford $15 an hour? No. They would simply go out of business. Then what do we do with the unemployed immigrants? Just give them welfare? Then we are back to just offering welfare on demand to everyone in the world, based on a tax base of just Americans.

In areas with high levels of immigration like New York and LA, local governments have already exempted small (mostly immigrant owned) business from having to pay the same minimum wage. The businesses themselves demanded this because they know they can't provide that type of pay.

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Let's call a spade a spade. A sizable chunk of Trump voters voted for this because they're worried about an imaginary racial marginalizing of whites. All the talk of economic sidelining and high minded bs about immigration being bad masks this basic cultural fear. That's not a fiction at this point as proven by 2016's campaign. EHarding speaks for a ton of Trump voters by referring to Mexico in derisive and heightened language. While I think he's a troll he ably speaks for a lot of frightened Trumpists who do actually believe this crap.

We're fine with immigration. In fact it's the reason our population grows and our economy is pretty strong. And as a matter of fact they're assimilating pretty well for the most part. It seems the natives who have the problem, really.

A lot of Trump voters are absolutely racist. I don't know why people being racist would render the economic arguments against immigration moot.