GA-6 Special election discussion thread

[Adam Griffin]

What about the turnout difference from November?  43% turnout is pretty big for a primary but I bet it was higher in November.  It all depends on how many Republican voters show up in June.   I bet all the Democrats turn out again.

In raw numbers, 326,000 people voted in the GA-6 congressional race in 2016 (125k Dem and 202k GOP).

In 2014, 210k people voted in the congressional race (71k Dem and 139k GOP).

So this turnout was just a little below that of the last midterm.

[Holmes]

Getting 48% in the primary is a very encouriging sign.

To concern trolls: remember that the republicans won this district 61-38 last year. The fact that the Democrats got 48% in an R+8 district is a good sign.

There's 2 months left and plenty of time for Handel to coalition-build. 48% in a mere run-off won't matter so much if it all becomes a blowout come the big one.

There's already a Republican coalition in this district. She shouldn't have to build one.

lol @ Klartext whining about spin when his previous post was pulling numbers out of his ass based on Rasmussen polls and the results here tonight.

Truth hurts?

What truth? Did I dispute anything? I called you a hypocrite and you said "truth hurts" so I guess so.

[AtorBoltox]

It's baffling that anyone would try to say this result is anything other than a huge success for Democrats. No credible analysts were predicting that Ossoff would actually win 50% apart from delusional hacks on these forums. 48% is a great result and Ossoff is favoured to win the runoff

[smoltchanov]

"Making Metro Atlantaa the Silicon Valley of the South"

ewww he's lost my vote.

Silicon valley- you mean the place where companies rake in 10%+ profit margins and underpay tech workers?

Shouldn't berniebots NOT like some of the left's glorification of the tech sector?

The liberals that I see praising Silicon Valley the most are DLC types.

And what's bad with that? Every liberal is obliged to be anti-DLC "bold progressive"? Why? "Liberal" doesn't mean being communist or even socialist..

There's plenty of room to the right of communist or socialist for liberal without including DLC.

Yes, but why this maniacal desire to exclude it? "Always march to the left" Not every Democrat is a "bold progressive", not everyone is even a liberal, and, IMHO, that's normal.. After all, there are only two main parties in US, so they are unlikely to be as ideologized as in Europe, where there is 4-5 (even 10) parties, spanning the whole spectrum from far left to far right..

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"Making Metro Atlantaa the Silicon Valley of the South"

ewww he's lost my vote.

Silicon valley- you mean the place where companies rake in 10%+ profit margins and underpay tech workers?

Shouldn't berniebots NOT like some of the left's glorification of the tech sector?

The liberals that I see praising Silicon Valley the most are DLC types.

And what's bad with that? Every liberal is obliged to be anti-DLC "bold progressive"? Why? "Liberal" doesn't mean being communist or even socialist..

There's plenty of room to the right of communist or socialist for liberal without including DLC.

Yes, but why this maniacal desire to exclude it? "Always march to the left" Not every Democrat is a "bold progressive", not everyone is even a liberal, and, IMHO, that's normal.. After all, there are only two main parties in US, so they are unlikely to be as ideologized as in Europe, where there is 4-5 (even 10) parties, spanning the whole spectrum from far left to far right..

A few progressives and a bunch of lying neoliberal hawks doesn't cut it.

[windjammer]

Well,
Lean Dem now, barring a higher turnout for republicans, I don't see how Handel can win.

[smoltchanov]

Well,
Lean Dem now, barring a higher turnout for republicans, I don't see how Handel can win.

If she will be able to combine ALL Republican votes of yesterday - why not? After all - Republicans got about 51% of total votes yesterday. Difficult? Yes. But - possible..

[windjammer]

Well,
Lean Dem now, barring a higher turnout for republicans, I don't see how Handel can win.

If she will be able to combine ALL Republican votes of yesterday - why not? After all - Republicans got about 51% of total votes yesterday. Difficult? Yes. But - possible..

Because from my experience with run offs in France, all rightwing candidates won't be totally combined. She will get a vast majority of them but 2-3-4-5 points will likely end up to Ossoff.

The only thing that can save them is increased Pub turnout, if it is based just on these results and assuming turnout remains identical, she's clearly the underdog.

[smoltchanov]

Because from my experience with run offs in France, all rightwing candidates won't be totally combined. She will get a vast majority of them but 2-3-4-5 points will likely end up to Ossoff.

What stimulus do rightwingers have to vote for solid left-winger Ossoff in run-off? even that 2-3-4-5%?

[windjammer]

Because from my experience with run offs in France, all rightwing candidates won't be totally combined. She will get a vast majority of them but 2-3-4-5 points will likely end up to Ossoff.

What stimulus do rightwingers have to vote for solid left-winger Ossoff in run-off? even that 2-3-4-5%?

Because this is how run offs work, the frontrunner is he has a massive big over the second one, he always gets some additional points out of nowhere.

[Klartext89]

Because from my experience with run offs in France, all rightwing candidates won't be totally combined. She will get a vast majority of them but 2-3-4-5 points will likely end up to Ossoff.

What stimulus do rightwingers have to vote for solid left-winger Ossoff in run-off? even that 2-3-4-5%?

Because this is how run offs work, the frontrunner is he has a massive big over the second one, he always gets some additional points out of nowhere.

Because you simply live in phantasy land and want it to be so, but sad for you smoltchanov is right ;-)

[Jeppe]

Not all of the Republican voters will show up to vote for Handel again. Most if not more Democratic voters will show up to vote for Ossoff in the run-off. It'll still probably be close, but I think Ossoff has the edge.

[Brittain33]

Klartext, it's cool you're feeling good this morning about Ossoff going to a runoff. As a gloom and doom Dem myself, I'm feeling pretty pumped about what happened and bullish on the runoff, and I'll tell you why.

Last November, the Republicans ran a Presidential candidate who was comically bad for this district and had no campaign apparatus, and he fell up to fifteen points behind recent Republican candidates for President and House. Remember, Romney won this district by over 20 points.

Last night, Republicans had the chance to vote for any of eleven candidates representing every possible position on the Republican spectrum. These were well known candidates with reputations, local connections, and machines they could turn on to churn out votes. And they, too, fell twenty points behind the margin past Republicans got, barely outpacing a single Generic Democrat with no district ties and no machine other than the Democratic tsunami which spontaneously arose behind his candidacy.

Historically it can take 10-20 years for flukish Presidential results to translate downballot. Look at all the D congressmen in the House who held on for 30 years after Reagan swept their districts in 1980.

You can celebrate, and maybe you will be proven right, but the well of liberal tears for you to quaff is dry this morning. We're feeling pretty damn good.

[Gass3268]

Where are Republicans getting this meme that Democrats spent more than Republicans in this race? Republicans spent almost twice as much as Democrats did.

[Brittain33]

It's like some here do not know that there is a run-off.

[SCNCmod]

Just saw an interview with Karen Handel ... She seems like an awful candidate.  "Seems" ... not very intelligent & Zero personality or charisma!

[BaldEagle1991]

Karen Handel is the female GOP Hillary Clinton.

[SCNCmod]

Karen Handel is the female GOP Hillary Clinton.

Hillary at least comes across as intelligent.

[Helsinkian]

Two months seems like an insanely long period of time between the first round and the runoff.

[Classic Conservative]

Handel wants to Trump to campaign for her, here comes the #GrayOut
https://mobile.twitter.com/ericawerner/status/854675319596253184

[Roronoa D. Law]

Two months seems like an insanely long period of time between the first round and the runoff.

GOP acting like Trump won't do anything stupid in 2 months. The media said last week was his best week and Ossoff got 48%. Runoff is pure tossup.

[Hindsight was 2020]

The closer to Trump the worse that canidate did so I di t get Handel's thinking https://mobile.twitter.com/HenryJGomez/status/854548401974890497

[LabourJersey]

Progressives need to focus on preventing Northam from winning in VA, these house races are unwinnable.

They can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Why are people acting as if the Democratic Party has just one big bag of money and one battalion of volunteers? The $8million Ossoff got came from a viewers of Daily Kos who have been energized to fight against Trump, and typically didn't donate before. Many people who never volunteered for the Democrats were canvassing in GA-06 and remotely for Ossoff.

I think this economy of political scarcity that some people talk about holds the Democrats back. The Republicans fight every battle, Why shouldn't Democrats?

[Klartext89]

Klartext, it's cool you're feeling good this morning about Ossoff going to a runoff. As a gloom and doom Dem myself, I'm feeling pretty pumped about what happened and bullish on the runoff, and I'll tell you why.

Last November, the Republicans ran a Presidential candidate who was comically bad for this district and had no campaign apparatus, and he fell up to fifteen points behind recent Republican candidates for President and House. Remember, Romney won this district by over 20 points.

Last night, Republicans had the chance to vote for any of eleven candidates representing every possible position on the Republican spectrum. These were well known candidates with reputations, local connections, and machines they could turn on to churn out votes. And they, too, fell twenty points behind the margin past Republicans got, barely outpacing a single Generic Democrat with no district ties and no machine other than the Democratic tsunami which spontaneously arose behind his candidacy.

Historically it can take 10-20 years for flukish Presidential results to translate downballot. Look at all the D congressmen in the House who held on for 30 years after Reagan swept their districts in 1980.

You can celebrate, and maybe you will be proven right, but the well of liberal tears for you to quaff is dry this morning. We're feeling pretty damn good.

I'm sorry but this level of reality denying and fantasy land is only amusing me, nothing more.

The truth is that we have a 50/50 district going 51/49 GOP in a special election which always is favorable to the Opposition. I explained why a week ago in the Kansas thread.

So, there's nothing for Dems to celebrate and nothing for the GOP to be scared of. If the Dems can't flip 50/50 districts, they will not even come close of taking the House.

And no, I'm feeling pretty damn miserable this morning (or meanwhile afternoon in Germany) but has nothing to do with politics, it's because of Soccer...

[Roronoa D. Law]

Klartext, it's cool you're feeling good this morning about Ossoff going to a runoff. As a gloom and doom Dem myself, I'm feeling pretty pumped about what happened and bullish on the runoff, and I'll tell you why.

Last November, the Republicans ran a Presidential candidate who was comically bad for this district and had no campaign apparatus, and he fell up to fifteen points behind recent Republican candidates for President and House. Remember, Romney won this district by over 20 points.

Last night, Republicans had the chance to vote for any of eleven candidates representing every possible position on the Republican spectrum. These were well known candidates with reputations, local connections, and machines they could turn on to churn out votes. And they, too, fell twenty points behind the margin past Republicans got, barely outpacing a single Generic Democrat with no district ties and no machine other than the Democratic tsunami which spontaneously arose behind his candidacy.

Historically it can take 10-20 years for flukish Presidential results to translate downballot. Look at all the D congressmen in the House who held on for 30 years after Reagan swept their districts in 1980.

You can celebrate, and maybe you will be proven right, but the well of liberal tears for you to quaff is dry this morning. We're feeling pretty damn good.

I'm sorry but this level of reality denying and fantasy land is only amusing me, nothing more.

The truth is that we have a 50/50 district going 51/49 GOP in a special election which always is favorable to the Opposition. I explained why a week ago in the Kansas thread.

So, there's nothing for Dems to celebrate and nothing for the GOP to be scared of. If the Dems can't flip 50/50 districts, they will not even come close of taking the House.

And no, I'm feeling pretty damn miserable this morning (or meanwhile afternoon in Germany) but has nothing to do with politics, it's because of Soccer...

There are 48 district that are more Democratic than this one and 24 need to win the house.