GA-6 Special election discussion thread

[DrScholl]

This new Washington Post article titled "Democratic win in Georgia would signal that the establishment is alive and kicking" almost makes me hope Ossoff loses.

Clearly the lesson would be to spend $25 million to elect drab establishment candidates in each of the districts that Hillary lost by a point so that the Democrats have a bigger minority in the House.

You are on the same list that krazen is. Shut up, jfern.

Hey, how'd telling progressives to shut up work out for your candidate Hillary last year?

The moderator warned once not to derail this thread with talk about the primary. Follow the rules.

[Beet]

I hate to take jfern' side on this one, but it's true that getting only rich suburban districts that swung heavily for Hillary wouldn't get the Democrats a majority even if Ossoff won, which he hasn't.

[DrScholl]

I can't help but be annoyed at the hypocrisy of Jfern an other hard leftist on this topic. On the one hand they constantly rip on "the establishment" for "talking about Russia and not healthcare" yet Quist brought up Russia all the time in Montana while Ossoff is the one who doesn't bring up Russia and talks about healthcare

Because jfern is a Republican concern troll

I've never voted Republican.

You certainly do use right-wing rhetoric, though

But of course no one can be racist against whites because reasons.

[DrScholl]

I hate to take jfern' side on this one, but it's true that getting only rich suburban districts that swung heavily for Hillary wouldn't get the Democrats a majority even if Ossoff won, which he hasn't.

You play where you have the best chance to win.

[Yank2133]

I hate to take jfern' side on this one, but it's true that getting only rich suburban districts that swung heavily for Hillary wouldn't get the Democrats a majority even if Ossoff won, which he hasn't.

True, but it would get them close (there are 23 districts that Clinton won in 2016, the majority of them are dominated by suburban, college-educated white people).

Dems need 24 seats to retake the house.

[Virginiá]

Let's keep the discussion away from arguments about single payer, or 2016 primary/election, progressives vs establishment, etc, please. I mean if you have some substantive, well-written thoughts to share, sure, but arguments - no.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I'm not going to argue, but I think this is a silly argument to begin with.  Um, let me put it this way.

ThereisnothingCongressmanOssoffwouldsupportthatBernieSandersorElizabethWarrendonot.

[Mr. Smith]

Ossoff has ran a great campaign and was a very good candidate. Regardless of how this race turns out or your political views you have to admit that.

No, he's a prop-up if he loses. A prop-up who ate money that could've gone to TWO districts that were competitive, one of which had a +20 edge against and moved left by 14!

A handsome looking one, but still a prop-up.

KS-4 and MT-AL probably weren't going to flip with extra money.

Could've been closer. And made for a broader appeal. Better three  very close districts as a warning sign and then going all out the next year on making the point, then two Sestak'd and one still lost by a razor-thin margin and thereby giving the party an appearance of being seriously split.

Could have been closer is not the same thing as actually winning. Putting money into seats that actually trended further to the right just to prove a point is not a sound investment.

I do wish the GOP had this attitude in '09/'10, there'd be no Scott Brown to stop the Public Option, and there wouldn't have been that YUGE 63 seat flip.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I'm not going to argue, but I think this is a silly argument to begin with.  Um, let me put it this way.

ThereisnothingCongressmanOssoffwouldsupportthatBernieSandersorElizabethWarrendonot.

Ossoff is not pro free college, at least.

[DrScholl]

Ossoff has ran a great campaign and was a very good candidate. Regardless of how this race turns out or your political views you have to admit that.

No, he's a prop-up if he loses. A prop-up who ate money that could've gone to TWO districts that were competitive, one of which had a +20 edge against and moved left by 14!

A handsome looking one, but still a prop-up.

KS-4 and MT-AL probably weren't going to flip with extra money.

Could've been closer. And made for a broader appeal. Better three  very close districts as a warning sign and then going all out the next year on making the point, then two Sestak'd and one still lost by a razor-thin margin and thereby giving the party an appearance of being seriously split.

Could have been closer is not the same thing as actually winning. Putting money into seats that actually trended further to the right just to prove a point is not a sound investment.

I do wish the GOP had this attitude in '09/'10, there'd be no Scott Brown to stop the Public Option, and there wouldn't have been that YUGE 63 seat flip.

Scott Brown was an anomaly. And probably half of that 63 House seat gain was due to Republicans picking up heavily conservative seats that Democrats really had no business still holding.

[Adam Griffin]

I'm not going to argue, but I think this is a silly argument to begin with.  Um, let me put it this way.

ThereisnothingCongressmanOssoffwouldsupportthatBernieSandersorElizabethWarrendonot.

Ossoff is not pro free college, at least.

Read what he said carefully.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I'm not going to argue, but I think this is a silly argument to begin with.  Um, let me put it this way.

ThereisnothingCongressmanOssoffwouldsupportthatBernieSandersorElizabethWarrendonot.

Ossoff is not pro free college, at least.

Read what he said carefully.

He opposes single payer.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/14/georgia-special-ossoff-handel-239523

And I don't think he's really laid out his positions. I'm sure he's to the right of Bernie on many, if not most issues.

[Adam Griffin]

I'm not going to argue, but I think this is a silly argument to begin with.  Um, let me put it this way.

ThereisnothingCongressmanOssoffwouldsupportthatBernieSandersorElizabethWarrendonot.

Ossoff is not pro free college, at least.

Read what he said carefully.

He opposes single payer.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/14/georgia-special-ossoff-handel-239523

And I don't think he's really laid out his positions. I'm sure he's to the right of Bernie on many, if not most issues.

Read what Scott said carefully.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I'm not going to argue, but I think this is a silly argument to begin with.  Um, let me put it this way.

ThereisnothingCongressmanOssoffwouldsupportthatBernieSandersorElizabethWarrendonot.

Ossoff is not pro free college, at least.

Read what he said carefully.

He opposes single payer.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/14/georgia-special-ossoff-handel-239523

And I don't think he's really laid out his positions. I'm sure he's to the right of Bernie on many, if not most issues.

Read what Scott said carefully.

It's a ridiculous assertion. I'm sure he'd vote with the 91 Senators for increased military spending and not the 3 that included Bernie here.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00301

[GeorgiaModerate]

FWIW, this outfit was WAY off in the VA-GOV primary.  Their final poll was Perriello 46, Northam 41, undecided 13.

[Adam Griffin]

I'm not going to argue, but I think this is a silly argument to begin with.  Um, let me put it this way.

ThereisnothingCongressmanOssoffwouldsupportthatBernieSandersorElizabethWarrendonot.

Ossoff is not pro free college, at least.

Read what he said carefully.

He opposes single payer.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/14/georgia-special-ossoff-handel-239523

And I don't think he's really laid out his positions. I'm sure he's to the right of Bernie on many, if not most issues.

Read what Scott said carefully.

It's a ridiculous assertion. I'm sure he'd vote with the 91 Senators for increased military spending and not the 3 that included Bernie here.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00301

[SATW]

By awful I meant ideologically. Clearly, Ossoff has run a good campaign.

[DrScholl]

Who is CSP Polling? It seems to have just started out last month. Seems like a fake poll.

[Barnes]

Welp, looks like it's time to start booting posters again from here. The level of #hottakes and #analysis is becoming particularly noxious

[DrScholl]

Did a Twitter search and it seems as if CSP Polling is an outfit that uses Google Consumer Surveys for their polling.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Did a Twitter search and it seems as if CSP Polling is an outfit that uses Google Consumer Surveys for their polling.

It's not cinyc, is it?

[Hindsight was 2020]

Yeah the guys who blew the VA primary are not a good source

[Hindsight was 2020]

Though Nate Cohn has been sending cryptic tweets that Handel will win

[GeorgiaModerate]

Though Nate Cohn has been sending cryptic tweets that Handel will win

Example please?  The tweets I've seen seem to indicate he's really on the fence in this one.

[DrScholl]

Though Nate Cohn has been sending cryptic tweets that Handel will win

Example please?  The tweets I've seen seem to indicate he's really on the fence in this one.

He's saying that Handel will do better in the early vote this time around, even if Ossoff wins.