Peace Through Strength - United Nations

[leonardothered]

The PRC would like to propose the following resolution before the General Assembly

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For too long have strong important nations like these two powers lacked a seat at the table, especially when it concerns their interests most of the time. Granting these two Asian nations permanent membership at the table will ensure it is not just Europe making decisions and that most of the world's population will be represented with a permanent seat.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is all for including more nations into deciding process, but of India and Japan were to receive permanent seats on the council, so should Germany and Brazil. Latin America in particular is underepresented.

The US can see the merits of the Iranian Republic's ideas, but is concerned about the security council's resolutions descending into large amounts of bureaucracy and self gain.

[leonardothered]

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Revoked.

Sorry, but no, I simply cannot see any plausible or even possible way Japan would suddenly unrecognize South Korea and place a hostile communist country as the official Korea. I'm happy to allow for player freedom on several issues, but this is pushing it way too hard.

Ok I will introduce a revised statement.

Japan recognizes North Korea, and institutes full economic and diplomatic relations with North Korea. Until President Trump pays restitution payments for the millions of Japanese deaths and lifts their Muslim travel ban, Japan is indefinitely barring American travel to Japan:

The US obviously condemns this action and would remind Japan of the millions of deaths Japan itself caused;

What has the United States done to help Japan following World War II?
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Scott Young
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The SCAP organization rebuilt the Japanese economy, which provided a basis for the insane level of growth that Japan had during the 1950's and 1960's.  The US has provided defence protection and alliances to Japan since the war.

As to direct compensation for the use of nuclear weapons and the thousands that died because of it.  I do not think so. 

Of course, Japan has not made any compensation for the millions that dies due to their activities in China, Indonesia, Korea, Indochina, Malaysia and the Philippines. 

Japan started the war in 1937.  Over the next 8 years, approximately one million Japanese civilians died of direct military actions or secondary effects (eg. famine and disease).  This includes the people killed in the two nuclear attacks.  In that time Japan caused the deaths of 12-16 million in  China, Dutch East Indies - 3-4 million, Indochina - 1 million, Philippines - 0.5-1 million. 

Using the lower estimate for all of the numbers (15.5 million) and 300,000 casualties from the Nuclear attacks (includes radiation sickness deaths to 1950) for every dollar of compensation that the USA should provide, Japan should provided 55 dollars.  This, of course, assumes equal responsibility for the war.  Since Japan started the war, they should have a higher level of responsibility for compensation.

Furthermore, work by the US was instrumental to the rebuilding of Japan's economy after the war and have enjoyed the protection of US armed forces which we were glad to provide and is baffled by Japan's complete 180 in regards to US relations.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

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Revoked.

Sorry, but no, I simply cannot see any plausible or even possible way Japan would suddenly unrecognize South Korea and place a hostile communist country as the official Korea. I'm happy to allow for player freedom on several issues, but this is pushing it way too hard.

Ok I will introduce a revised statement.

Japan recognizes North Korea, and institutes full economic and diplomatic relations with North Korea. Until President Trump pays restitution payments for the millions of Japanese deaths and lifts their Muslim travel ban, Japan is indefinitely barring American travel to Japan:

*snip*
Of course, Japan has not made any compensation for the millions that dies due to their activities in China, Indonesia, Korea, Indochina, Malaysia and the Philippines.  

*snip*

Furthermore, work by the US was instrumental to the rebuilding of Japan's economy after the war and have enjoyed the protection of US armed forces which we were glad to provide and is baffled by Japan's complete 180 in regards to US relations.

Thank you for adopting a "One Korea" policy recognizing Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un's government as the only legitimate Korean government

Incidentally, Japan only "enjoys" the "protection" of the U.S. military because you won't let them re-militarize.  I can see why America wouldn't want to trust Germany with the responsibility of having its own army, Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un agrees that Prime Minister Merkel's actions indicate that they can't handle the responsibility.  That said, Japan has proven a responsible nation with a wise ruler and Korea believes Japan should be permitted to determine its own destiny rather than have America constantly breathing down its neck with sulfur-laced breath.

Korea would like to propose the following resolution before the General Assembly

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Aye.

[GoTfan]

Korea would like to propose the following resolution before the General Assembly

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France unequivocally votes no.

[LLR]

Nay to North Korea's resolution.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

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And "no" on the resolution

[DKrol]

The United Kingdom votes Nay on the resolution from North Korea.

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OOC: we should probably adopt slots for resolutions, so we won't have to deal with all at the same time. Hell, I'm confused already

[leonardothered]

OOC: we should probably adopt slots for resolutions, so we won't have to deal with all at the same time. Hell, I'm confused already

OOC: agreed.


IC: The US votes no, obviously.

[Spamage]

China also votes no on North Korea's resolution.

[Leinad]

The Italian Republic votes Aye on the "Resolution Condemning Continued North Korean Human Rights Violations" from Germany, and Nay on the resolution by North Korea.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Korea withdraws its resolution.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

India offers the following resolution to the United Nations for consideration and vote:

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India votes AYE. Pakistan has shown a willingness to support and harbor terrorists and should be limited in territory as much as possible as Pakistan is a threat to regional and world security.

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Iran votes no.

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Seeing how diplomacy based on mutual trust and respect had resulted in a working agreement between the Islamic Republic of Iran, the United States of America and the European Union, the Islamic Republic of Iran proposes:

1. North Korea would cease all nuclear and missile tests immediately.
2. The United States and the European Union would freeze imposing new sanctions.
3. Sides involved would agree to meet, without additional preconditions, to discuss the issue.
4. Both sides (North Korea/China on one side, the US/South Korea on another) would each pick a neutral power to observe terms of the agreement.

[Lumine]

No more voting on this thread, just debate and proposing resolutions (which I'll move to the voting thread).

[Dereich]

The first resolution was proposed by our ambassador; the concerns raised by the resolution are what compelled us to both bring it forward and to vote AYE.

The second resolution puts Germany in a difficult situation. While we believe that both Japan and India are worthy and important nations whose voices should carry greater weight, we do not believe adding them as permanent members of the Security Council is a worthwhile solution. We believe that the whole system of permanent membership with veto power is outdated and in need of reform. While working on the details, we believe that approval of this resolution (which would still need Security Council approval to pass anyway) would make eventual reform of the Security Council more difficult. Thus, Germany intends to vote NAY on the second resolution.

The third resolution also creates unwanted tension. It is the German belief that the United Nations are meant to be a place where nations sit down and settle differences peacefully. Without passing any judgement in regard to the exact location of the India-Pakistani border, we believe that sanctioning an aggressive military redrawing of national borders goes against the purposes of the United Nations and will thus vote NAY. Further, any deployment of peacekeepers or the use of force is an issue for the Security Council; it is an area in which the General Assembly explicitly has no powers. Should a resolution calling for a new round of negotiations as to the India-Pakistan situation be brought forward, we would be happy to give that measure our support.

[Dr. Cynic]

As to the second resolution, Canada feels much the same way as Germany. We would support a change to the rules that abolished permanent seats and is instead replaced by a ballot. Until such time, Canada will not support adding additional seats to the SC.

[Lumine]

For the record, the Indian resolution on peacekeeping won't have any pratical effect on peacekeeping forces if it passes. As Dereich pointed out, that's a matter for the security council.

[DKrol]

The British Ambassador to the United Nations, Matthew Rycroft, introduces the following resolution before the United Nations Security Council:

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The Islamic Republic of Iran will not endorse any plan that undermines the rightful authority of the legitimate Syrian government in Damascus. With this in mind, we're open, as a major Middle Eastern force engaged in fighting ISIS from the beginning, to cooperate.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Korea strongly urges all responsible members of the UN Security Council to vote against this framework for a colonial conquest of Syria.  The Syrian people have chosen Al-Assad in free and fair elections and as such, only his government has any legitimacy in Syria.

[Enduro]

If the United Nations want a peaceful Syria, you have two options; get the infidels out of the country, or let us do it for you.

ISIS will do this kindness for you, before we stretch the kindness to each of your countries.

Furthermore, should you want to continue being a valid organization in the eyes of Allah, recognize the Caliphate and allow us a vote in your deliberations. We will settle for nothing less than a seat on the security council the immediate appointment of our representative to the Secretary General position.

Do this, and we will shape the world to what it's supposed to be. You're welcome.

[GoTfan]

If the United Nations want a peaceful Syria, you have two options; get the infidels out of the country, or let us do it for you.

ISIS will do this kindness for you, before we stretch the kindness to each of your countries.

Furthermore, should you want to continue being a valid organization in the eyes of Allah, recognize the Caliphate and allow us a vote in your deliberations. We will settle for nothing less than a seat on the security council the immediate appointment of our representative to the Secretary General position.

Do this, and we will shape the world to what it's supposed to be. You're welcome.

France will never agree to this. We have not forgotten the barbaric massacre of 120 innocents in Paris and the slaughter of 86 innocents in Nice.

There will be no negotiation on this point. I believe I speak for the world when I say this.

President Emmanuel Macron

[DKrol]

The United Kingdom firmly opposes any offers of membership or moves towards recognizing Isil for anything more than that which they are: a terrorist organization.