Opinion of Emmanuel Macron

[kyc0705]

I haven't read on him too much, but here's what I know:

-He's not Le Pen, Fillon or Melenchon.
-He seems to piss off right wing populists and True Leftists BIG TIME.

So I have to go with FF.

He’s a handsome pro-EU centrist. Yes, please.

[Antonio the Sixth]

No reaction from BRTD? Color me disappointed.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I haven't read on him too much, but here's what I know:

-He's not Le Pen, Fillon or Melenchon.
-He seems to piss off right wing populists and True Leftists BIG TIME.

So I have to go with FF.

All neoliberal, all the time!

It's funny how BRTD claims to be a Bernie supporter despite his obvious hatred for them.

So I obviously hated Bernie because I also hate far right wingers and True Leftist dipsh!ts who Bernie basically told to f[inks] off when he endorsed their most hated candidate?

Also I was a Sanders delegate to my district convention. What more do I need to do to be a Sanders supporter?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I haven't read on him too much, but here's what I know:

-He's not Le Pen, Fillon or Melenchon.
-He seems to piss off right wing populists and True Leftists BIG TIME.

So I have to go with FF.

All neoliberal, all the time!

Uh I didn't even say I'd vote for him in the first round. I'd vote for Hamon obviously, but I'd have no problem voting for him in the second.

It should be obvious to you that I simply have a very narrow Overton Window, with anything falling outside of it I consider to be irredeemable. Sanders and Hamon fall basically perfectly within it, Macron and Hillary are on the right end of acceptable. Anyone outside of it, be it left or right, I will always STRONGLY oppose.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I haven't read on him too much, but here's what I know:

-He's not Le Pen, Fillon or Melenchon.
-He seems to piss off right wing populists and True Leftists BIG TIME.

So I have to go with FF.

All neoliberal, all the time!

Uh I didn't even say I'd vote for him in the first round. I'd vote for Hamon obviously, but I'd have no problem voting for him in the second.

It should be obvious to you that I simply have a very narrow Overton Window, with anything falling outside of it I consider to be irredeemable. Sanders and Hamon fall basically perfectly within it, Macron and Hillary are on the right end of acceptable. Anyone outside of it, be it left or right, I will always STRONGLY oppose.

My "Overton Window" (what a ridiculous term, but whatever) must be narrower than yours, since Hamon is the only candidate I can support. Macron is basically a right-winger in the French context.

But anyway, I was interested in what you thought of Russia's propaganda against him. I hoped that would elicit more emphasis from you.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So are you actually saying you would NOT vote for him in a Macron vs. Le Pen runoff?

[Antonio the Sixth]

So are you actually saying you would NOT vote for him in a Macron vs. Le Pen runoff?

Of course I'd vote for him. That doesn't mean I'd be minimally happy about him winning.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Uh,I voted for Hillary quite enthusiastically ("MY QUEEN IS ALIVE!") and would've more than minimally happy about her winning but I didn't vote for her in the primary. Don't be a sore loser.

[DavidB.]

Uh,I voted for Hillary quite enthusiastically ("MY QUEEN IS ALIVE!") and would've more than minimally happy about her winning but I didn't vote for her in the primary. Don't be a sore loser.

You voted for Sanders because most of your friends did. Antonio has actual political convictions that run a little bit deeper than that.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Moderate heroes like him are part of the problem, not a solution. I'd never entertain a thought of supporting him if not for the odds he'll end up in a runoff with Marine.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Uh,I voted for Hillary quite enthusiastically ("MY QUEEN IS ALIVE!") and would've more than minimally happy about her winning but I didn't vote for her in the primary. Don't be a sore loser.

You do realize comparisions between American primaries and European general elections are ridiculous?

[RogueBeaver]

Lean FF but still supporting Fillon atm

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

What problem do the socialists have with him? Is it his aesthetic? Is it a knee-jerk response to any attempts to remove any rules (even when those rules are impractical. Thousands of euros to get a drivers license? Really?!)?

FF

[Intell]

What problem do the socialists have with him? Is it his aesthetic? Is it a knee-jerk response to any attempts to remove any rules (even when those rules are impractical. Thousands of euros to get a drivers license? Really?!)?

FF

Obviously his horrendous policies don't matter.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Examples of his horrendous policies?

[Kingpoleon]

Examples of his horrendous policies?

He is, strictly speaking, a centrist. "Moderate hero" is a term used to delegitimize and derogate centrism as an ideology in general. The left and the right have both commonly feared centrism because of its widespread appeal and the fact that it works. Macron supports repeal of actual red tape, and Democrats fear that. Democrats love regulation because it helps their big business donors, while hurting small business. This propaganda has been spread by the left wing talking heads. The left and right also fear centrism because they don't understand the ability to get both sides of an issue. You've heard the expression "Economics is not a zero sum game." This applies to economic theory - in theory, both left wing and right wing economics could work given enough time and intelligent administration of it. The idea of centrism is combining a reduction of regulations with Keynesian economics, staunch support for balanced budgets, and general issue-by-issue dissection. This is too complicated for a lot of people, so it gets called neoliberalism, corporatism, and a variety of other names.

[ApatheticAustrian]

like with all good things, deregulation has its limits...and rightly so.

france needs some amount of deregulation...this is my sincere belief and since ...what i call....the oldschool left is atm not competitive, i support the german-scandinavin contract of society.....macrin ist the right man at the right time and he even liberates the left from voting for a arch-conservative, pro-russian puppet like fillon.

we should be happy.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

staunch support for balanced budgets

That one is stupid. Centrism often isn't that smart, relying on a more "moderate, in the middle" form of feeling for policies(balanced budgets). Though an economic platform that doesn't piss off all of the paul ryan nuts, populists, and socialists probably has some strong flaws.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I mean, if some people could elaborate on his horrible policies I'd understand more, so far all I've heard is some deranged ranting about neoliberalism (that makes you sound like Snowstalker by the way) and ageist attacks on him for not even being 40 (despite the fact that he'd still be eligible in the US, one of the most restrictive age requirements for the Presidency.) That said if I were French I would still vote for Hamon in the first round. But if he ends up making the runoff against Le Pen, then my attitude toward him would instantly shift to "MY KING IS ALIVE!"

[Maxwell]

Macron is the man behind the economic policies that helped send Hollande's approvals into a tailspin and hasn't seemed to learn much from it. Pardon if my comparison is off or a bit cringe worthy, but he's like a more globalist Manuel Valls.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Macron is the man behind the economic policies that helped send Hollande's approvals into a tailspin and hasn't seemed to learn much from it. Pardon if my comparison is off or a bit cringe worthy, but he's like a more globalist Manuel Valls.

He's basically Valls, except that Valls went through the regular course of partisan involvement and showed his loyalty by taking part in the primary and supporting the winner, while Macron came out of nowhere (from a past as an investment banker, no less!) and expects everybody to bow down to him.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Uh,I voted for Hillary quite enthusiastically ("MY QUEEN IS ALIVE!") and would've more than minimally happy about her winning but I didn't vote for her in the primary. Don't be a sore loser.

You voted for Sanders because most of your friends did. Antonio has actual political convictions that run a little bit deeper than that.

As I've explained before and even made a long post about the day before the Minnesota caucus, that is not true. If I was supporting a candidate based solely on their policies and who I liked more personally, I would've supported Sanders from the start. I only didn't due to silly political nerd reasons.

[Kingpoleon]

staunch support for balanced budgets

That one is stupid. Centrism often isn't that smart, relying on a more "moderate, in the middle" form of feeling for policies(balanced budgets). Though an economic platform that doesn't piss off all of the paul ryan nuts, populists, and socialists probably has some strong flaws.

Let me rewrite that for you.

"Please try to get as many people to disagree with your economic platform as possible."

[Pessimistic Antineutrino]

Lean FF but still supporting Fillon atm

This, and I'd probably support him over Le Pen in the runoff.

[Intell]

Marcon is behind most of the right-wing economic agenda of the Hollande Years, for any leftist to support him (rather than a lesser evil) is an absolute disgrace. H. Clinton is more leftist than this guy.