Farewell

[Mr. Morden]

Now that he left the forum, i can only wish him luck.

He hasn't left the forum.  He made this thread last year, and left for a while, but then came back.  He made three posts just yesterday.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Now that he left the forum, i can only wish him luck.

He hasn't left the forum.  He made this thread last year, and left for a while, but then came back.  He made three posts just yesterday.

At least ag had enough integrity to resign as a mod when he decided to leave, instead of just leaving.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I suppose I ought to be grateful for small favors.

[ag]

You are right: I am an idiot. Apologies for coming back: it was a stupid mistake on my part, will try not to repeat it again. If I stumble again (as I, probably, will), I guess, there are enough despeakable deplorables here to quickly remind me why I should not.

Tam-tam.

[dead0man]

You are right: I am an idiot. Apologies for coming back: it was a stupid mistake on my part, will try not to repeat it again. If I stumble again (as I, probably, will), I guess, there are enough despeakable deplorables here to quickly remind me why I should not.

Tam-tam.

see ya next year!  <goofy wave like Jethro at the end of The Beverly Hill Billies>

[Gustaf]

hated white folks,

Sure, I hate you. Please feel free to reference that fact.

hated white folks,

Sure, I hate you. Please feel free to reference that fact.

Ok. Let me make a serious statement, for once.

1. I, actually, understand where the Trump support is coming from. Yes, there are many people in the US who feel that "the elites" are usurping the power, do not care about them, do not share their values, etc. I, of course, do not share those sentiments, but I do see how this can be a strong feeling.

2. This feeling is not limited to the US, of course. In fact, in much of the world the same feeling of impotent rage against the elites that many Americans feel domestically is directed against all Americans as a group. Aren't Americans the worldwide "elite"? Many Russians, for instance, would, as a matter of course, answer in the affirmative. The world, in their worldview, is governed by the "Washington obkom".

3. Of course, there are no real elites governing the world. Society is a complex organism, and no group of people can control or direct it. Nor is there a cohesive group with alligned interests that could try to do so. The world, really, is a lot more chaotic than many people suppose.

4. Miraculously, this chaos over the last 70 years has been, at least in the "first world", resolved without major conflagrations that had been the norm for most of our history, and remain the norm in many places till now. This has been achieved, in great part, because after the catastrophe of the two world wars societies converged to some modicum of political and social moderation. They say that Mexicans are so polite (and Mexican conventions are those of exaggerated politeness) because 100 years ago an impolite word could have resulted in shooting. In a sense, the same has been true of our societies in general. We could continue to think whatever we thought of those not like us (be that socially, ethnically, religiously, racially or whatever) but we tended to hold our mouths under some control. Having survived the World Wars nobody was willing to risk provoking them anew.

5. Well, this is, increasingly, no longer the case. The generation which survived the wars is gone. Their children do not understand where the politeness conventions are coming from: they think these are elite plots to subdue the straight-talking simple folk.

6. Trump has done away with courtesies of the recent decades and his supporters love it. Well, I view my role here as educational. I am performing, of course and I am being nasty and offensive. I do this for a reason. You have insisted on taking away the veneer of civilization that has maintained peace. Well, live with it. Smell the urine. Alas, unless we collectively recoil, soon we all will be smelling blood.

Yes, I am scared. And I am screaming.

You make is sound as if Donald Trump is the key to all problems facing the world

No, not Trump. Trump's supporters. The are the "deplorables". Trump is a run-of-the-mill scoundrel. His supporters are much worse.

Hillary is scum honest for showing such contempt and loathing for millions of hard working, tax paying Americans with this deplorable prepared text. scum

Corrected.

I hope he stays gone.  I don't understand why there wasn't a permaban issued.

Lol, what in that is banworthy? I Think you should stop being such a sensitive snowflake and act like a grown man.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

You are right: I am an idiot. Apologies for coming back: it was a stupid mistake on my part, will try not to repeat it again. If I stumble again (as I, probably, will), I guess, there are enough despeakable deplorables here to quickly remind me why I should not.

Tam-tam.

see ya next year!  <goofy wave like Jethro at the end of The Beverly Hill Billies>

This is better as far as goofy waves go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DfQcHMYLY

[Badger]

hated white folks,

Sure, I hate you. Please feel free to reference that fact.

hated white folks,

Sure, I hate you. Please feel free to reference that fact.

Ok. Let me make a serious statement, for once.

1. I, actually, understand where the Trump support is coming from. Yes, there are many people in the US who feel that "the elites" are usurping the power, do not care about them, do not share their values, etc. I, of course, do not share those sentiments, but I do see how this can be a strong feeling.

2. This feeling is not limited to the US, of course. In fact, in much of the world the same feeling of impotent rage against the elites that many Americans feel domestically is directed against all Americans as a group. Aren't Americans the worldwide "elite"? Many Russians, for instance, would, as a matter of course, answer in the affirmative. The world, in their worldview, is governed by the "Washington obkom".

3. Of course, there are no real elites governing the world. Society is a complex organism, and no group of people can control or direct it. Nor is there a cohesive group with alligned interests that could try to do so. The world, really, is a lot more chaotic than many people suppose.

4. Miraculously, this chaos over the last 70 years has been, at least in the "first world", resolved without major conflagrations that had been the norm for most of our history, and remain the norm in many places till now. This has been achieved, in great part, because after the catastrophe of the two world wars societies converged to some modicum of political and social moderation. They say that Mexicans are so polite (and Mexican conventions are those of exaggerated politeness) because 100 years ago an impolite word could have resulted in shooting. In a sense, the same has been true of our societies in general. We could continue to think whatever we thought of those not like us (be that socially, ethnically, religiously, racially or whatever) but we tended to hold our mouths under some control. Having survived the World Wars nobody was willing to risk provoking them anew.

5. Well, this is, increasingly, no longer the case. The generation which survived the wars is gone. Their children do not understand where the politeness conventions are coming from: they think these are elite plots to subdue the straight-talking simple folk.

6. Trump has done away with courtesies of the recent decades and his supporters love it. Well, I view my role here as educational. I am performing, of course and I am being nasty and offensive. I do this for a reason. You have insisted on taking away the veneer of civilization that has maintained peace. Well, live with it. Smell the urine. Alas, unless we collectively recoil, soon we all will be smelling blood.

Yes, I am scared. And I am screaming.

You make is sound as if Donald Trump is the key to all problems facing the world

No, not Trump. Trump's supporters. The are the "deplorables". Trump is a run-of-the-mill scoundrel. His supporters are much worse.

Hillary is scum honest for showing such contempt and loathing for millions of hard working, tax paying Americans with this deplorable prepared text. scum

Corrected.

I hope he stays gone.  I don't understand why there wasn't a permaban issued.

Lol, what in that is banworthy? I Think you should stop being such a sensitive snowflake and act like a grown man.

[ag]

I hope he stays gone.  I don't understand why there wasn't a permaban issued.

I think, this gives me a good reason to come back. Perhaps, the only good thing I have ever done on this forum is making certain sanctimonious pricks uncomfortable.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I hope he stays gone.  I don't understand why there wasn't a permaban issued.

I think, this gives me a good reason to come back. Perhaps, the only good thing I have ever done on this forum is making certain sanctimonious pricks uncomfortable.

I must rent an awful lot of space in your head.

I note that you led off your comeback with a post that, arguably, violates the ToS. 

[ag]

I hope he stays gone.  I don't understand why there wasn't a permaban issued.

I think, this gives me a good reason to come back. Perhaps, the only good thing I have ever done on this forum is making certain sanctimonious pricks uncomfortable.

I must rent an awful lot of space in your head.

I note that you led off your comeback with a post that, arguably, violates the ToS. 

I am simply trying to have some innocent fun, while making the humanity slightly better.

Is that prohibited by the ToS?

[Virginiá]

It's pretty hard to get perma banned. I assume Fuzzy meant by his perma ban comment the incident that got ag de-modded, in which case, why is there no understanding of it? There are few things a user can say in one post that will get them perma banned. Perma bans are usually the end of the road of a series of major rule infractions (or copious amounts of small infractions). This is just how Atlas is, and likely will stay that way. Quite frankly, I prefer the way bans are issued anyway (minus a few things). I don't think most people should get tossed for good so quickly. There is no reason incremental steps can't be done to try and nudge the user into behaving appropriately. It certainly doesn't bother me to have to revisit a matter occasionally.

And this isn't just the opinion of the mod team. Dave had to do the de-modding, so he was aware of the situation. If he thought it warranted a perma ban, he likely would have weighed in on that on the spot.

[ag]

the incident that got ag de-modded,

I voluntarily resigned from moderating, if I recall it right .

[Virginiá]

the incident that got ag de-modded,

I voluntarily resigned from moderating, if I recall it right .

Yeah that's a fair point, although after reading the mod discussions and then considering the 2016 Tender precedent, I'm fairly sure that situation would have ended the same regardless.

I still stand by everything else though. FOLKS need to ease up on the ban stuff. We don't dole out perma bans like that and never will.

[ag]

the incident that got ag de-modded,

I voluntarily resigned from moderating, if I recall it right .

Yeah that's a fair point, although after reading the mod discussions and then considering the 2016 Tender precedent, I'm fairly sure that situation would have ended the same regardless.

Happy to hear that.

Anyway. I am only back for sanctimonious pricks.

[Badger]

the incident that got ag de-modded,

I voluntarily resigned from moderating, if I recall it right .

Yeah that's a fair point, although after reading the mod discussions and then considering the 2016 Tender precedent, I'm fairly sure that situation would have ended the same regardless.

Happy to hear that.

Anyway. I am only back for sanctimonious pricks.

There's quite the crop since you last left.

But you've found that out first hand, haven't you?

[Mr. Morden]

You are right: I am an idiot. Apologies for coming back: it was a stupid mistake on my part, will try not to repeat it again. If I stumble again (as I, probably, will), I guess, there are enough despeakable deplorables here to quickly remind me why I should not.

Tam-tam.

see ya next year! 

Looks like next week would have been more accurate. 

[DavidB.]

Welcome back!

[ag]

Welcome back!

A, Herr David, my other favourite target

[ag]

the incident that got ag de-modded,

I voluntarily resigned from moderating, if I recall it right .

Yeah that's a fair point, although after reading the mod discussions and then considering the 2016 Tender precedent, I'm fairly sure that situation would have ended the same regardless.

Happy to hear that.

Anyway. I am only back for sanctimonious pricks.

There's quite the crop since you last left.

But you've found that out first hand, haven't you?

I think together we could (and should) provide them with an uplifting spiritual and educational experience Are in for it?

[Badger]

the incident that got ag de-modded,

I voluntarily resigned from moderating, if I recall it right .

Yeah that's a fair point, although after reading the mod discussions and then considering the 2016 Tender precedent, I'm fairly sure that situation would have ended the same regardless.

Happy to hear that.

Anyway. I am only back for sanctimonious pricks.

There's quite the crop since you last left.

But you've found that out first hand, haven't you?

I think together we could (and should) provide them with an uplifting spiritual and educational experience Are in for it?

Does the pope seek to revitalize a moribund institution with subtle yet dramatically important gestures encapsulating the fundamental narrative of Christ as laid out in the New Testament-- and wear a funny hat?

[ag]

the incident that got ag de-modded,

I voluntarily resigned from moderating, if I recall it right .

Yeah that's a fair point, although after reading the mod discussions and then considering the 2016 Tender precedent, I'm fairly sure that situation would have ended the same regardless.

Happy to hear that.

Anyway. I am only back for sanctimonious pricks.

There's quite the crop since you last left.

But you've found that out first hand, haven't you?

I think together we could (and should) provide them with an uplifting spiritual and educational experience Are in for it?

Does the pope seek to revitalize a moribund institution with subtle yet dramatically important gestures encapsulating the fundamental narrative of Christ as laid out in the New Testament-- and wear a funny hat?

Humility, my dear sir! Humility! I am a humble feldkurat, no more

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I hope he stays gone.  I don't understand why there wasn't a permaban issued.

I think, this gives me a good reason to come back. Perhaps, the only good thing I have ever done on this forum is making certain sanctimonious pricks uncomfortable.

I must rent an awful lot of space in your head.

I note that you led off your comeback with a post that, arguably, violates the ToS. 

I am simply trying to have some innocent fun, while making the humanity slightly better.

Is that prohibited by the ToS?

How does this site have so many mods & former mods who don't realize personal attacks and vulgar name-calling are against the ToS?    It's ridiculous.

[ag]

I hope he stays gone.  I don't understand why there wasn't a permaban issued.

I think, this gives me a good reason to come back. Perhaps, the only good thing I have ever done on this forum is making certain sanctimonious pricks uncomfortable.

I must rent an awful lot of space in your head.

I note that you led off your comeback with a post that, arguably, violates the ToS. 

I am simply trying to have some innocent fun, while making the humanity slightly better.

Is that prohibited by the ToS?

How does this site have so many mods & former mods who don't realize personal attacks and vulgar name-calling are against the ToS?    It's ridiculous.

Very simple. There is no longer any such thing as personal attack in my book It is just being plainspoken. So the restriction, while valid, is vacuous. And this will remain the case till after the war.