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« on: February 12, 2017, 10:12:52 PM »

Massive FS, with the caveat that everyone can practice whatever religion they want
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2017, 10:14:16 PM »
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Not true as I believe America in many ways is culturally different then Western Europe and the 1st amendment also is against that statement
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2017, 10:17:08 PM »

HS. No nation should be a [insert ethnic or religious characteristic] nation.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2017, 10:20:45 PM »

Incredibly awful.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2017, 10:21:35 PM »

Grains of truth, but lean horrible. Look at Vermont.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2017, 10:24:13 PM »

Also, what's this "Judeo" nonsense? To include New York City? Nice try; still excludes Vermont.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2017, 10:47:41 PM »

Culturally, partially, for sure.  Legally, DEFINITELY not.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2017, 11:32:06 PM »

We also have foundations in Latin and Greek philosophy, alongside the beliefs of John Witherspoon. Yet, for some reason, no one says we have Greco-Latin or Greco-Scottish Common Sense Realism values.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2017, 11:40:05 PM »

Keep us out of this, please.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2017, 11:42:25 PM »

If it was true, it certainly isn't anymore.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2017, 05:33:36 PM »

Also, what's this "Judeo" nonsense? To include New York City? Nice try; still excludes Vermont.

Because the PR people said overt anti Semitism is a problem nowadays, but 'Abrahamic' would give Islam a foothold.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2017, 05:35:33 PM »

HS. No nation should be a [insert ethnic or religious characteristic] nation.

Doesn't the word "nation" pretty much imply an ethnic, or at least somehow identitarian, characteristic?
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2017, 05:42:27 PM »

HS. No nation should be a [insert ethnic or religious characteristic] nation.

Doesn't the word "nation" pretty much imply an ethnic, or at least somehow identitarian, characteristic?

Many people would argue that America is founded on the premise that anyone can become an American regardless of their background and faith, as long as they accept the principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence. Many in France say the same about the Declaration of Human Rights, laïcité and other French civic values. I think that principle should apply to all nations.
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2017, 05:54:24 PM »

HS. No nation should be a [insert ethnic or religious characteristic] nation.

Doesn't the word "nation" pretty much imply an ethnic, or at least somehow identitarian, characteristic?

Many people would argue that America is founded on the premise that anyone can become an American regardless of their background and faith, as long as they accept the principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence. Many in France say the same about the Declaration of Human Rights, laïcité and other French civic values. I think that principle should apply to all nations.

But there is still, in both France and the USA, a shared sense of community based on that identity.

Maybe ethnicity isnt the best word, but I can't think of a better one, but there is a shared set of cultural markers, a founding myth (the revolution, the nation of immigrants etc...), a shared concept of what being "American" or "French" is, and that it is a part of who you are.

It clearly doesn't have to be genetic or inherited or whatever, but I do think that a nation has a lot of overlap with ethnicity, maybe like a sort of civil ethnicity or something.
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2017, 06:31:13 PM »

Judeo-Christian is one of the worst terms ever invented, and affixing "values" afterwards is mind numblingly galling. The social values of Christians and Jews are far more disparate than common wisdom dictates.

Horrible statement that leads to horrible mentalities.
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2017, 06:37:48 PM »

     I don't care for "Judeo-Christian values" even though my own values intersect in many places, as I would prefer that we adhere to values because of their moral content and not because of what tradition they come out of. I know Christians would find this to be a trivial distinction, but as an Atheist it is an important one to me.
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2017, 06:38:38 PM »

Judeo-Christian is one of the worst terms ever invented, and affixing "values" afterwards is mind numblingly galling. The social values of Christians and Jews are far more disparate than common wisdom dictates.

Horrible statement that leads to horrible mentalities.
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2017, 06:40:50 PM »

Never has there been a dumber word than "Judeo-Christian".

Christian may make some sense, but Judaism has had almost no impact on our country other than the fact Christians stole the Pentateuch.
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2017, 06:54:50 PM »

It's true as far as our national foundation goes. We've been informed by Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, ancient Israel, England, and Western Europe. All of these have been influenced by Judeo-Christianity. They've not necessarily hurt the Republic. Abolitionism was grounded in a biblical and moral belief against slavery, and the Civil rights movement had a heavy religious flavor.

Is it where we're going, I don't know (we've never had a majority secular / agnostic / non believing country in world history, have we?). I probably guess that statement will become less relevant as time goes on.
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2017, 07:21:07 PM »

Abstain. It is true that in a cultural sense the United States has been dominated by Christianity, however the founders who built this country were by no means orthodox Christians, rather they managed to establish classical liberalism the de facto state ideology.
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2017, 07:24:02 PM »

FF, absolutely true.

God isn't done with America yet. Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2017, 08:10:56 PM »

In what sense? The people that try to emphasize how 'Western Civilization' and its values resulted in a separation of Church and State are the same people that usually try to bridge that gap. I guess the Protestant ethic would apply to the spirit of much of our early development, and it usually does affect the way many of us continue to view the world today. Usury inherent in the Western way of nation-building probably wouldn't allow us to lay claim to a particularly Islamic inheritance. 'Western thought' overall has of course had a significant impact on America, particularly with its linear view of history, which it inherited from Christianity.
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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2017, 08:31:08 PM »

In what sense? The people that try to emphasize how 'Western Civilization' and its values resulted in a separation of Church and State are the same people that usually try to bridge that gap. I guess the Protestant ethic would apply to the spirit of much of our early development, and it usually does affect the way many of us continue to view the world today. Usury inherent in the Western way of nation-building probably wouldn't allow us to lay claim to a particularly Islamic inheritance. 'Western thought' overall has of course had a significant impact on America, particularly with its linear view of history, which it inherited from Christianity.

I would say that America and all Western Values, including Secular Humanistic Enlightenment, are Christian-inspired but not a "Christian Nation".
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2017, 08:47:27 PM »

Culturally, partially, for sure.  Legally, DEFINITELY not.
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