Are hipster Christians who want refugees to come and become Christian bigoted?

[JA]

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

You realize this is tantamount to a ban of the practice of Evangelical Christianity, right? 

Implying we wouldn't be doing real America a favor.

I'm about as much of a fan of Evangelical Christianity as you are, but proselytizing is a core part of universalist faiths like Christianity and Islam. You can't ban a core part of a faith. However, our culture should definitely work to make religion more of a private matter.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

These enlightened countries are way ahead of you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen

[Intell]

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

These enlightened countries are way ahead of you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen

I could care less. You should not also be able, to take part in the Proselytism, if you're muslim, and you try to covnert people to your brand of fundamentalist Islam.

I have a deep hatred of evangelicals/catholics, who go into counturies, and use "charity" money only on those who convert, bunch of self-righteous pric*k holes engaging in fraud.

[Mr. Smith]

No, no they aren't.

Torie has it right.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

These enlightened countries are way ahead of you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen

I could care less. You should not also be able, to take part in the Proselytism, if you're muslim, and you try to covnert people to your brand of fundamentalist Islam.

I have a deep hatred of evangelicals/catholics, who go into counturies, and use "charity" money only on those who convert, bunch of self-righteous pric*k holes engaging in fraud.

Well I for one am thankful that some Middle Eastern Jews came to Europe and told Europeans to turn from worshiping Zeus/Jupiter and to stop abandoning their children to die and to stop watching people kill each other for entertainment.

[Devout Centrist]

Bo

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

These enlightened countries are way ahead of you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen

I could care less. You should not also be able, to take part in the Proselytism, if you're muslim, and you try to covnert people to your brand of fundamentalist Islam.

I have a deep hatred of evangelicals/catholics, who go into counturies, and use "charity" money only on those who convert, bunch of self-righteous pric*k holes engaging in fraud.

Well I for one am thankful that some Middle Eastern Jews came to Europe and told Europeans to turn from worshiping Zeus/Jupiter and to stop abandoning their children to die and to stop watching people kill each other for entertainment.

Yeah, then they burned witches and killed Hypatia.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Bo

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

These enlightened countries are way ahead of you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen

I could care less. You should not also be able, to take part in the Proselytism, if you're muslim, and you try to covnert people to your brand of fundamentalist Islam.

I have a deep hatred of evangelicals/catholics, who go into counturies, and use "charity" money only on those who convert, bunch of self-righteous pric*k holes engaging in fraud.

Well I for one am thankful that some Middle Eastern Jews came to Europe and told Europeans to turn from worshiping Zeus/Jupiter and to stop abandoning their children to die and to stop watching people kill each other for entertainment.

Yeah, then they burned witches and killed Hypatia.

Doesn't compare to what happened.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

These enlightened countries are way ahead of you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen

I could care less. You should not also be able, to take part in the Proselytism, if you're muslim, and you try to covnert people to your brand of fundamentalist Islam.

I have a deep hatred of evangelicals/catholics, who go into counturies, and use "charity" money only on those who convert, bunch of self-righteous pric*k holes engaging in fraud.

so you want to ban people from making videos such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjaCh9qSaXc

Or even a church putting a sign outside like the one this morning I saw next to the post office that said "All are welcome" (in a rainbow color.) After all saying that is inviting someone to come, who might not already be that branch of Christianity, OMG proselytization!

And how on Earth would that not violate the First Amendment?

[Figueira]

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Literally nothing stated in the first amendment abridges such ban.

I'm generally not a huge fan of trying to convert people to your religion, but banning it outright would be a mess.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The thing I really don't get is Catholics expressing opposition to conversion or proselytization, like I've noticed where Simfan basically dislikes every post I make on AAD on the subject. Take a look at a list of Catholic saints. Odds are probably at least half of them were famous missionaries who converted people. St. Patrick, what a horrible person destroying ripping people from their native culture!

Or anyone who thinks converting Jews is never appropriate when converting Jews is almost what the entire New Testament is about.

[afleitch]

To seek to take away from them religious beliefs that they clutch close to their heart; a connection to the community and the family they left behind, when they arrive is deeply sad.

So you would not approve of people leaving Islam for a gay accepting form of Christianity? Seriously?

You do realise you can be Muslim and reconcile it with your sexuality. For the same reason you can be Christian and do the same.

[RFayette]

The thing I really don't get is Catholics expressing opposition to conversion or proselytization, like I've noticed where Simfan basically dislikes every post I make on AAD on the subject. Take a look at a list of Catholic saints. Odds are probably at least half of them were famous missionaries who converted people. St. Patrick, what a horrible person destroying ripping people from their native culture!

Or anyone who thinks converting Jews is never appropriate when converting Jews is almost what the entire New Testament is about.

This is true, though I think cultural sensitivity is really important here, especially given how much the Jewish people have endured persecution from Christians and as such, we ought to tread very lightly here.  Nonetheless, Christianity with zero proselytism is pretty hard to call Christianity. 

[DC Al Fine]

I have a deep hatred of evangelicals/catholics, who go into counturies, and use "charity" money only on those who convert, bunch of self-righteous pric*k holes engaging in fraud.

so you want to ban people from making videos such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjaCh9qSaXc

Or even a church putting a sign outside like the one this morning I saw next to the post office that said "All are welcome" (in a rainbow color.) After all saying that is inviting someone to come, who might not already be that branch of Christianity, OMG proselytization!

And how on Earth would that not violate the First Amendment?

Clearly it does, but anti-Christian bigotry, and anti-Evangelical bigotry in particular are one of the few acceptable prejudices on the left, so the cognitive dissonance is ignored.

[Intell]

I have a deep hatred of evangelicals/catholics, who go into counturies, and use "charity" money only on those who convert, bunch of self-righteous pric*k holes engaging in fraud.

so you want to ban people from making videos such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjaCh9qSaXc

Or even a church putting a sign outside like the one this morning I saw next to the post office that said "All are welcome" (in a rainbow color.) After all saying that is inviting someone to come, who might not already be that branch of Christianity, OMG proselytization!

And how on Earth would that not violate the First Amendment?

Clearly it does, but anti-Christian bigotry, and anti-Evangelical bigotry in particular are one of the few acceptable prejudices on the left, so the cognitive dissonance is ignored.

I'd say the same for Islam, or any religion that feels the need, to send people to other counturies, and use charity money to convert people.

[Murica!]

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

You realize this is tantamount to a ban of the practice of Evangelical Christianity, right? 

You're saying that like it'd be a bad thing. #culturallycatholicmasterrace

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Literally nothing stated in the first amendment abridges such ban.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantwell_v._Connecticut

[DC Al Fine]

I have a deep hatred of evangelicals/catholics, who go into counturies, and use "charity" money only on those who convert, bunch of self-righteous pric*k holes engaging in fraud.

so you want to ban people from making videos such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjaCh9qSaXc

Or even a church putting a sign outside like the one this morning I saw next to the post office that said "All are welcome" (in a rainbow color.) After all saying that is inviting someone to come, who might not already be that branch of Christianity, OMG proselytization!

And how on Earth would that not violate the First Amendment?

Clearly it does, but anti-Christian bigotry, and anti-Evangelical bigotry in particular are one of the few acceptable prejudices on the left, so the cognitive dissonance is ignored.

I'd say the same for Islam, or any religion that feels the need, to send people to other counturies, and use charity money to convert people.

You're like the fellow who defends against charges of anti-semitism by saying they don't like blacks either! There's not even a nominal attempt to see our side of things, only bigotry against the religions of most of the world.

The act of trying to convert someone should be banned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Literally nothing stated in the first amendment abridges such ban.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantwell_v._Connecticut

What sort of twisted logic do you have to engage in to read " prohibiting the free exercise thereof" as "but banning a major religious activity is totally fine"

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

To seek to take away from them religious beliefs that they clutch close to their heart; a connection to the community and the family they left behind, when they arrive is deeply sad.

So you would not approve of people leaving Islam for a gay accepting form of Christianity? Seriously?

You do realise you can be Muslim and reconcile it with your sexuality. For the same reason you can be Christian and do the same.

It's easier to do it as a Christian though. Just say that what Moses said doesn't apply anymore and what Paul said was about something different.

[Devout Centrist]

BRTD, only you would justify taking in refugees by arguing they can be converted easier.

Not bigoted, but just plain head scratching.

[Antonio the Sixth]

BRTD, only you would justify taking in refugees by arguing they can be converted easier.

In fairness, I don't think he's the only one who would.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

To seek to take away from them religious beliefs that they clutch close to their heart; a connection to the community and the family they left behind, when they arrive is deeply sad.

So you would not approve of people leaving Islam for a gay accepting form of Christianity? Seriously?

You do realise you can be Muslim and reconcile it with your sexuality. For the same reason you can be Christian and do the same.

Ya know, I'm willing to bet that the number of gay affirming churches in Minneapolis is per capita far higher than the number of gay affirming mosques. Assuming any of the latter exist at all.

Main point being that if my church converted any Muslims, they'd be converting to a pro-gay church. Where is the problem?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

BRTD, only you would justify taking in refugees by arguing they can be converted easier.

In fairness, I don't think he's the only one who would.

Of course not, seeing as how I'm not the one being quoted in the OP.

Some of the people here should think of some of the implications of what they're saying. My church and others like it are mostly made up of white people from comfortable middle class backgrounds, of which the vast majority were raised some type of Christian. Obviously a far cry from most refugees' backgrounds.

However, should that be something sought? Should we decide that we are only for white people of comfortable middle class backgrounds who were raised Christian? Don't you see a problem there? Because that's the implication of believing that all Muslim refugees must remain Muslim.

[RFayette]

BRTD, only you would justify taking in refugees by arguing they can be converted easier.

In fairness, I don't think he's the only one who would.

Of course not, seeing as how I'm not the one being quoted in the OP.

Some of the people here should think of some of the implications of what they're saying. My church and others like it are mostly made up of white people from comfortable middle class backgrounds, of which the vast majority were raised some type of Christian. Obviously a far cry from most refugees' backgrounds.

However, should that be something sought? Should we decide that we are only for white people of comfortable middle class backgrounds who were raised Christian? Don't you see a problem there? Because that's the implication of believing that all Muslim refugees must remain Muslim.

Yeah, while I certainly think we should remain sensitive to others' traditions, the idea that churches should refrain from attempting to convert others (and thus fulfill the Great Commission) is ludicrous.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I don't care about "remaining sensitive to others' traditions"

[RFayette]

I don't care about "remaining sensitive to others' traditions"

I should clarify by what I mean:  we should make an effort to convert people of all religions, but there is obviously a wrong way to go about it (invoking hellfire and brimstone, for instance), and respect that there is a cultural/traditional aspect of many religions not related to the theology itself that we should be cognizant of.  I'm sure you'd agree with that.