Grounds for Impeaching President Trump

[PeteB]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it deserves its own.  Please note that I do not necessarily agree with all of these, but several of them could be more serious than the usual partisan sniping.

Possible Grounds for impeaching President Trump
(work still in progress - we are after all in his first month)

1. Accusation of un-ethical dealings and personal gain for his business,while in office

• not divesting of his business control
• links between TrumpCo and foreign powers
• promoting his daughter's business at taxpayer expense

2. Accusation of high treason by his subordinates (Michael Flynn, others), on behalf of foreign powers (Russia), should the unauthorized encryption accusations turn out to be true.

3. Accusation of causing danger to US security, in having subordinates who communicated with foreign powers (Russia), in order to gain political capital.

4. Accusation of unconstitutional actions against an independent branch of power (the Judiciary) in order to gain further power for the Executive branch.

5. Accusations of discrimination on the basis of religion (Moslems) and race (Mexican-Americans).

6. Accusations of appointing and shielding cabinet members and personal advisers who have a conflict of interest and stand to gain from their government positions.

7. Accusations of incompetence due to mental health concerns, expressed by several members of Congress, from both parties.

8. Accusations of succumbing to blackmail by foreign powers (Russia) and potentially threatening US security (should those allegations about wild Moscow party nights turn out to be true).

[Hindsight was 2020]

These are all good points but you're a cuck-Trump supporters

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Keep dreaming.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Kthxbye. 

[Crumpets]

Meh, just get him under oath. That's how they got Clinton, and Trump is nowhere near as smooth or as good at legal tip-toeing as ol' Billy Jeff.

[PeteB]

For the record, the impeachment probably will not happen for another 6-8 months but short of the leopard changing its spots, it is inevitable imho.

[Ebowed]

LOCK HIM UP!

[SteveRogers]

The business conflicts of interest and/ or emoluments clause issues will be the path of least resistance for impeachment. Its just a question of how long it will take for obvious self-dealing to occur. Trump's $1 Trillion infrastructure plan will probably be the first thing to keep an eye on.

[pbrower2a]

9. Vote fraud if he colluded with a foreign power to manipulate results of the 2016 Presidential election.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

9. Vote fraud if he colluded with a foreign power to manipulate results of the 2016 Presidential election.

That's a very big IF

[The_Doctor]

Nothing to date done has been impeachable. If he enriched himself in a quid pro quo while president (e.g. made himself rich and changed a facet of U.S policy) or there was direct collusion with the Russians during the election then these are probably grounds for impeachment.  But at this point nothing has been done (that we know of).

[Meclazine for Israel]

OK, I was thinking about this.

A couple of things will come up. Whether they are impeachable or not is up to brighter minds than I.

1. Emails - Hillary Clinton 2016 all over again.
2. Muslims - Targeting muslim refugees at the immigration phase.
3. Business - Personal business interests get in the way of the Presidency.
4. Foreign Gifts - Accepting money from overseas Governments whilst President.
5. Family members - Employing family members.

I would not put down sexual indiscretions. Donald is too old, and attacking Donald on groping was a mistake as Bill always did worse, and whilst in office.

He will probably die of a heart attack. You don't see too many fat men in their 70's.

[Lothal1]

Give up.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

9. Vote fraud if he colluded with a foreign power to manipulate results of the 2016 Presidential election.

That's a very big IF

True. But his Russophile adviser secretly covertly contacting the Russian ambassador and then lying about it means he fails the Caesar's Wife test with a big fat F.

[The_Doctor]

OK, I was thinking about this.

A couple of things will come up. Whether they are impeachable or not is up to brighter minds than I.

1. Emails - Hillary Clinton 2016 all over again.
2. Muslims - Targeting muslim refugees at the immigration phase.
3. Business - Personal business interests get in the way of the Presidency.
4. Foreign Gifts - Accepting money from overseas Governments whilst President.
5. Family members - Employing family members.

I would not put down sexual indiscretions. Donald is too old, and attacking Donald on groping was a mistake as Bill always did worse, and whilst in office.

He will probably die of a heart attack. You don't see too many fat men in their 70's.

Any scandal that sticks has to hit at the heart of Trump's relationship with the working class whites who voted for him. Almost everyone else is immaterial. Ergo I vote 3.

[Bismarck]

Goodness gracious just put up a candidate who can win an election in four years. If Trump is as big of a disaster as you're portraying him, he should be easy to beat. Why create chaos and division when we already have more than we need? Also what do you think Pence will be better on from a left wing perspective than Trump? Other than sour grapes, what does this accomplish for the left or for the country?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Goodness gracious just put up a candidate who can win an election in four years. If Trump is as big of a disaster as you're portraying him, he should be easy to beat. Why create chaos and division when we already have more than we need? Also what do you think Pence will be better on from a left wing perspective than Trump? Other than sour grapes, what does this accomplish for the left or for the country?

While the left will obviously strongly disagree with Pence on policies, he does not appear to be a stupid madman with the temperament of a spoiled brat and questionable connections to Russian intelligence.

Your cult leader is a threat, no just to liberal ideals, but to the integrity and security of the United States of America. Try remembering what actual patriotism feel like, instead of slavish worship of a conman, and maybe you'll understand.

[Comrade Funk]

Goodness gracious just put up a candidate who can win an election in four years. If Trump is as big of a disaster as you're portraying him, he should be easy to beat. Why create chaos and division when we already have more than we need? Also what do you think Pence will be better on from a left wing perspective than Trump? Other than sour grapes, what does this accomplish for the left or for the country?

While the left will obviously strongly disagree with Pence on policies, he does not appear to be a stupid madman with the temperament of a spoiled brat and questionable connections to Russian intelligence.

Your cult leader is a threat, no just to liberal ideals, but to the integrity and security of the United States of America. Try remembering what actual patriotism feel like, instead of slavish worship of a conman, and maybe you'll understand.

They worship the flag, but forget what the Declaration of Independence stood for.

[Wiz in Wis]

Trump doesn't make a full term. He's got all of Nixon's worst qualities combined with Carter's incompetence. He's going to force the GOP's hand at some point. Ryan and McConnell will get their tax cuts and then dump him like a bad habit.

[PeteB]

With Flynn's resignation, reason #2 in my OP is looking pretty good right now!

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

With Flynn's resignation, reason #2 in my OP is looking pretty good right now!

Except that a) what Flynn did would not be considered treason and b) Trump has not been implicated.

[PeteB]

With Flynn's resignation, reason #2 in my OP is looking pretty good right now!

Except that a) what Flynn did would not be considered treason and b) Trump has not been implicated.

Flynn was allegedly negotiating with the Russians to lift the sanctions in exchange for some undisclosed concessions. The question will be whether he was doing it on his own or at Trump's request.
 
The first would be treason, the second would be reckless diplomacy.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

With Flynn's resignation, reason #2 in my OP is looking pretty good right now!

Except that a) what Flynn did would not be considered treason and b) Trump has not been implicated.

Flynn was allegedly negotiating with the Russians to lift the sanctions in exchange for some undisclosed concessions. The question will be whether he was doing it on his own or at Trump's request.
 
The first would be treason, the second would be reckless diplomacy.

the first and second what?
A private individual attemtping to negotiate with a foreign power on behalf of the US is illegal but it isn't treason.

[Wiz in Wis]

With Flynn's resignation, reason #2 in my OP is looking pretty good right now!

Except that a) what Flynn did would not be considered treason and b) Trump has not been implicated.

Flynn was allegedly negotiating with the Russians to lift the sanctions in exchange for some undisclosed concessions. The question will be whether he was doing it on his own or at Trump's request.
 
The first would be treason, the second would be reckless diplomacy.

the first and second what?
A private individual attemtping to negotiate with a foreign power on behalf of the US is illegal but it isn't treason.

This assumes that the dropping of sanctions wasnt a quid pro quo for helping beat Hillary. There is blood in the water right now, this will get much worse for Trump.

[JohnCA246]

Rumors of Trump's demise have thus far been "greatly exaggerated."