Does Greece have the highest percentage of Horrible People in the world?

[Associate Justice PiT]

BRTD seems to be under the impression that individuals exist in a vacuum isolated from any kind of social influence (which, interestingly, is usually a right-wing assumption).

     The idea that individuals are fully culpable for their own political beliefs seems quite common among the left, actually. In almost any other sphere, it would be unequivocally right-wing to maintain such a position.

[Antonio the Sixth]

BRTD seems to be under the impression that individuals exist in a vacuum isolated from any kind of social influence (which, interestingly, is usually a right-wing assumption).

     The idea that individuals are fully culpable for their own political beliefs seems quite common among the left, actually. In almost any other sphere, it would be unequivocally right-wing to maintain such a position.

I don't consider Hagrid and his ilk of self-righteous elitists to be "left-wing" in any meaningful sense. They simply combine the surface of left-wing policy positions (although often just on "social" issues, as they're quite at peace with continued plutocracy) with this fundamentally right-wing attitude.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

BRTD, I'm interested to know what about Greece, if not its historical, political, cultural, and economic circumstances, you think leads to these good results for extremist parties.

The point isn't so much those, but the fact you'd have to be pretty horrible to support such a party regardless of any circumstances.

Okay...? I don't know what you're trying to demonstrate. Why do you think Greece has such a high concentration of these people? Is it something in the water?

Greece having some reason for them being higher doesn't let them off the hook for being terrible though. That's my point. Some Trump supporter in a rural southern county that gave him ~80% isn't off the hook either for being terrible.

[Antonio the Sixth]

BRTD, I'm interested to know what about Greece, if not its historical, political, cultural, and economic circumstances, you think leads to these good results for extremist parties.

The point isn't so much those, but the fact you'd have to be pretty horrible to support such a party regardless of any circumstances.

Okay...? I don't know what you're trying to demonstrate. Why do you think Greece has such a high concentration of these people? Is it something in the water?

Greece having some reason for them being higher doesn't let them off the hook for being terrible though. That's my point. Some Trump supporter in a rural southern county that gave him ~80% isn't off the hook either for being terrible.

Middle-class hipster unwilling to let people who have been through sh*t all their lives "off the hook": ALL LIBERAL ALL THE TIME!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

BRTD, I'm interested to know what about Greece, if not its historical, political, cultural, and economic circumstances, you think leads to these good results for extremist parties.

The point isn't so much those, but the fact you'd have to be pretty horrible to support such a party regardless of any circumstances.

Okay...? I don't know what you're trying to demonstrate. Why do you think Greece has such a high concentration of these people? Is it something in the water?

Greece having some reason for them being higher doesn't let them off the hook for being terrible though. That's my point. Some Trump supporter in a rural southern county that gave him ~80% isn't off the hook either for being terrible.

Middle-class hipster unwilling to let people who have been through sh*t all their lives "off the hook": ALL LIBERAL ALL THE TIME!

I don't exactly see a contradiction there. Do hardcore liberals usually tolerate people with radically different views from theirs? See: protests and picketing against and even vandalism of Mormon and Catholic churches after the passage of Prop 8 (for just one example)

And FYI the logic doesn't even apply here, since most Golden Dawn and KKE voters aren't unemployed. The "unemployed angry youth" were all voting SYRZIA.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

And really if you moved those Greek voters to other countries that don't have strong Nazi or communist parties they'd no doubt still vote for terrible parties, like in the Netherlands and Sweden example Golden Dawn voters would obviously all vote for PVV and Sweden Democrats while the KKE voters would still vote for inane antiquated parties like Socialistische Partij and Vänsterpartiet.

[Antonio the Sixth]

See: protests and picketing against and even vandalism of Mormon and Catholic churches after the passage of Prop 8 (for just one example)

...and you think that's a good thing?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

See: protests and picketing against and even vandalism of Mormon and Catholic churches after the passage of Prop 8 (for just one example)

...and you think that's a good thing?

The vandalism, no. The protests, yes.

[NOVA Green]

BRTD, I'm interested to know what about Greece, if not its historical, political, cultural, and economic circumstances, you think leads to these good results for extremist parties.

The point isn't so much those, but the fact you'd have to be pretty horrible to support such a party regardless of any circumstances.

Okay...? I don't know what you're trying to demonstrate. Why do you think Greece has such a high concentration of these people? Is it something in the water?

Greece having some reason for them being higher doesn't let them off the hook for being terrible though. That's my point. Some Trump supporter in a rural southern county that gave him ~80% isn't off the hook either for being terrible.

Middle-class hipster unwilling to let people who have been through sh*t all their lives "off the hook": ALL LIBERAL ALL THE TIME!

I don't exactly see a contradiction there. Do hardcore liberals usually tolerate people with radically different views from theirs? See: protests and picketing against and even vandalism of Mormon and Catholic churches after the passage of Prop 8 (for just one example)

And FYI the logic doesn't even apply here, since most Golden Dawn and KKE voters aren't unemployed. The "unemployed angry youth" were all voting SYRZIA.

This is actually more the face of unemployed angry youth in Greece these days... regardless your point is correct in that they are not voting for either the Extreme-Right nor the unreconstructed Communists....

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/11/anarchy-future-greece-151122113214286.html

[Simfan34]

Still, you haven't answered the question: why is this the case? Is it endogenous?

[Associate Justice PiT]

BRTD seems to be under the impression that individuals exist in a vacuum isolated from any kind of social influence (which, interestingly, is usually a right-wing assumption).

     The idea that individuals are fully culpable for their own political beliefs seems quite common among the left, actually. In almost any other sphere, it would be unequivocally right-wing to maintain such a position.

I don't consider Hagrid and his ilk of self-righteous elitists to be "left-wing" in any meaningful sense. They simply combine the surface of left-wing policy positions (although often just on "social" issues, as they're quite at peace with continued plutocracy) with this fundamentally right-wing attitude.

     I see a lot of people on the left espousing this sort of notion in regards to the right. I won't accuse you of No True Scotsman here, because (even as someone who is not leftist) I agree that this type of attitude seems antithetical to left-wing principles. With that in mind, I wonder how much of a left-wing you have if you insist that these people are not genuine leftists.

[Intell]

And really if you moved those Greek voters to other countries that don't have strong Nazi or communist parties they'd no doubt still vote for terrible parties, like in the Netherlands and Sweden example Golden Dawn voters would obviously all vote for PVV and Sweden Democrats while the KKE voters would still vote for inane antiquated parties like Socialistische Partij and Vänsterpartiet.

I like how democratic socialism is antiquated, when you're leader would most likely have been in these parties, and they have no mention of communism. The equivalent of SYRIZA, if they weren't complete sellouts would be these parties. Yet this is from a man, who made a thread support Maoists (Stalinists tenfold), to be anti-Russia.

[Intell]

BRTD seems to be under the impression that individuals exist in a vacuum isolated from any kind of social influence (which, interestingly, is usually a right-wing assumption).

     The idea that individuals are fully culpable for their own political beliefs seems quite common among the left, actually. In almost any other sphere, it would be unequivocally right-wing to maintain such a position.

I don't consider Hagrid and his ilk of self-righteous elitists to be "left-wing" in any meaningful sense. They simply combine the surface of left-wing policy positions (although often just on "social" issues, as they're quite at peace with continued plutocracy) with this fundamentally right-wing attitude.

     I see a lot of people on the left espousing this sort of notion in regards to the right. I won't accuse you of No True Scotsman here, because (even as someone who is not leftist) I agree that this type of attitude seems antithetical to left-wing principles. With that in mind, I wonder how much of a left-wing you have if you insist that these people are not genuine leftists.

Centrist Liberals, who hate the working class, and are fine to make them suffer under globalisation and neo-liberalism aren't left-wing whatsoever.

[Antonio the Sixth]

BRTD seems to be under the impression that individuals exist in a vacuum isolated from any kind of social influence (which, interestingly, is usually a right-wing assumption).

     The idea that individuals are fully culpable for their own political beliefs seems quite common among the left, actually. In almost any other sphere, it would be unequivocally right-wing to maintain such a position.

I don't consider Hagrid and his ilk of self-righteous elitists to be "left-wing" in any meaningful sense. They simply combine the surface of left-wing policy positions (although often just on "social" issues, as they're quite at peace with continued plutocracy) with this fundamentally right-wing attitude.

     I see a lot of people on the left espousing this sort of notion in regards to the right. I won't accuse you of No True Scotsman here, because (even as someone who is not leftist) I agree that this type of attitude seems antithetical to left-wing principles. With that in mind, I wonder how much of a left-wing you have if you insist that these people are not genuine leftists.

Not much, and that's the whole problem. We live in a right-wing era in which the main conflict is between two segments of the right.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Not at all; there are lovely people and there are shits in all countries of the world and doubtless in approximately comparable percentages. What Greece has is a society that has undergone repeated collective traumas in the 20th century that was then placed under immense strain by economic collapse more recently.