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Tender Branson
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« on: February 15, 2017, 07:58:43 AM »

42% Donald Trumo (R-Inc.)
36% Elizabeth Warren (D)

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 08:06:41 AM »

Against a generic Democrat though, Trump falls behind by quite a bit.

43% - Generic Democrat
35% - Trump
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 08:10:29 AM »

Against a generic Democrat though, Trump falls behind by quite a bit.

43% - Generic Democrat
35% - Trump

There is no such thing as a "Generic Democrat" ...
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 08:13:20 AM »

Guess we need Bernie ! Warren doesn't have much of an appeal outside very progressive people !
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 08:14:48 AM »

Against a generic Democrat though, Trump falls behind by quite a bit.

43% - Generic Democrat
35% - Trump

There is no such thing as a "Generic Democrat" ...

Yup, I doubt any Democrat would have polled 8 points ahead of Trump in this poll. Perhaps Bernie, but the longest serving congressional independent is not "Generic Democrat".
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2017, 08:17:50 AM »

Damn Sad
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2017, 08:50:54 AM »
« Edited: February 15, 2017, 08:54:58 AM by Mr. Morden »

Trump vs. Warren: who leads among…
men: Trump +8
women: Trump +5
age 18-29: Trump +2
age 30-44: Trump +1
age 45-54: Trump +13
age 55-64: Trump +5
age 65+: Trump +10
Dems: Warren +61
Reps: Trump +74
Indies: Trump +8
Indie men: Trump +16
Indie women: tie
no college degree: Trump +11
bachelor’s degree: Trump +3
post-grad degree: Warren +14
income under $50k: Trump +3
income $50-100k: Trump +14
income over $100k: Trump +4
whites: Trump +16
blacks: Warren +43
Hispanics: Warren +14
other race: Warren +20
urban: Warren +15
suburban: Trump +7
rural: Trump +26
Clinton voters: Warren +71
Trump voters: Trump +80
3rd party voters: Warren +14
Midwest: Trump +7
Northeast: tie
South: Trump +8
West: Trump +8

The regional breakdown for Trump vs. generic Democrat is:
Midwest: Dem +8
Northeast: Dem +15
South: Dem +5
West: Dem +8

So the differences between the “vs Warren” and “vs generic Dem” #s are pretty uniform across regions.

Trump job approval:
approve 49%
disapprove 45%

fav/unfav %:
Bill Clinton 58/39% for +19%
George W. Bush 55/39% for +16%
Barack Obama 55/43% for +12%
Elizabeth Warren 37/30% for +7%
Steve Bannon 21/32% for -11%

The demographic group most likely to know who Warren is is people with a post-grad degree (only 14% of them have no opinion of Warren), while the demographic group least likely to know her is women identifying as Independents (fully 50% of them have no opinion of her).  The %age who don’t know her by region:

Midwest: 39%
Northeast: 32%
South: 34%
West: 28%
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2017, 08:57:50 AM »

Obviously polls like this don't mean anything, but I agree that Warren is not the best candidate we can field, and I say that as someone who is excited to vote for her re-election (assuming I still live in MA then).
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2017, 09:11:06 AM »


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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 09:21:19 AM »
« Edited: February 15, 2017, 09:23:49 AM by Alpha »

Polls like this are always going to be favorable for the incumbent, and this case a third of the respondents still have "no opinion" on Warren.
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 09:36:22 AM »

The "Turn Liz Warren into a Feminist Icon #ShePersisted" playbook is a smart one.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 09:45:53 AM »

The "Turn Liz Warren into a Feminist Icon #ShePersisted" playbook is a smart one.
2016 made it clear that Americans reject SJW identity politics
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2017, 09:55:51 AM »

Obviously polls like this don't mean anything, but I agree that Warren is not the best candidate we can field, and I say that as someone who is excited to vote for her re-election (assuming I still live in MA then).

Yup. I love her fiery passion, but she simply isn't the best candidate to defeat Trump. And that's my #1 metric for how I am voting.
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2017, 10:10:30 AM »

I think I'd have to go for Harris or Gillibrand at this point. The right has nothing on either of them, and they don't have much baggage.
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2017, 10:16:54 AM »

Elizabeth Warren is the woman with the best shot of beating Donald Trump. Just watch. Gillibrand is beginning to send the wrong messaging. I prefer Gilly, but nah. Both are acceptable but not better than the status quo.
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2017, 10:33:18 AM »

The "Turn Liz Warren into a Feminist Icon #ShePersisted" playbook is a smart one.
2016 made it clear that Americans reject SJW identity politics


No, there's no evidence that "SJW identity politics" had any impact whatsoever.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2017, 10:38:35 AM »

The "Turn Liz Warren into a Feminist Icon #ShePersisted" playbook is a smart one.
2016 made it clear that Americans reject SJW identity politics


No, there's no evidence that "SJW identity politics" had any impact whatsoever.

No but its clear by now it only appeals to a small minority of hardcore Dems who get super self righteous about it. Like the religious right of our party. These people need to be expunged.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2017, 10:53:38 AM »

I'm supposed to believe a poll that shows Trump beating Warren among Millennials? Yeah, I don't think so. I tend not to be a poll skeptic, but to draw any conclusions from this poll about Warren's viability is simply absurd.
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2017, 11:16:47 AM »

Great chess move!

This is why Trump wants this Goofy to be the face of the dying Democrat party!
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2017, 11:29:56 AM »

Against a generic Democrat though, Trump falls behind by quite a bit.

43% - Generic Democrat
35% - Trump

We should encourage Generic Democrat to run. I've never heard of him before, but he polls well.

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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2017, 12:01:13 PM »

Is there a chance that every named democrat (bar Obama) would do worse than 'generic democrat'
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2017, 12:09:00 PM »

Is there a chance that every named democrat (bar Obama) would do worse than 'generic democrat'

Probably. Generic Dems dont really exist. An actual named Democrat has a record to defend, controversial statements, a heterodox policy or five, etc. However, this is a nice frame of reference for the Dem candidate to go by.
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2017, 12:23:41 PM »
« Edited: February 15, 2017, 12:31:39 PM by Sorenroy »

Polls like this are always going to be favorable for the incumbent, and this case a third of the respondents still have "no opinion" on Warren.

Especially this early on. Also, to be more specific, 16% of people don't who she is, 18% have heard of her but don't have an opinion on her either way. Also this poll has 22% undecided (actually it's "Don't Know / No Opinion", but it means the same thing).


Edit: It seems kind of buried under a lot of other stuff, but this poll has Trump at 49% favorable to 46% unfavorable. Warren is at 37%-30%.
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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2017, 01:03:46 PM »

Why did they only poll Warren?
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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2017, 01:47:50 PM »

I say we nominate Sherrod Brown or some other dark horse progressive.
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