Opinion of these 4 voting groups who defected from their party

[OSR stands with Israel]

The biggest 4 defections in modern times(since 1960) was arguably LBJ Republicans , Reagan Democrats , Trump Democrats , and Hillary Republicans. Whats your Opinion of them


LBJ Republicans- Mixed at the time but if you didnt regret it by 1966 HP

Reagan Democrats- Massive FF(Basically they are people who got tired of High taxes, weak defense , too much regulations and defected to the republican party and stayed there)

Trump Democrats- HP(Basically populists who hopefully stay out of the party long term, only ones who are FF are ones are who lost their job due to free trade)

Hillary Republicans- FF(Basically Republicans who would have voted for any other regular republican candidate )

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

LBJ Republicans -FF. Goldwater was an FF overall, but I don't blame people for voting for a candidate with Putin-level popularity above someone a bit too hawkish and extreme for their taste.

Reagan Democrats -FF. Carter had led America to fail too much by 1980.

Trump Democrats -FF. Trump was a man of the people, and a conservative who rejected Bush at that.

Hillary Republicans -Major HPs. Mostly elitists with no regard for the common man or the American nation.

[Vosem]

LBJ Republicans, Trump Democrats -- HPs
Reagan Democrats, Hillary Republicans -- FFs

Trump Democrats -FF. Trump was a man of the people, and a conservative who rejected Bush at that.

The rest of your post is defensible for someone with your views, but this is just objectively untrue. The people rejected him massively. Man of the Electoral College, sure.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

LBJ Republicans, Trump Democrats -- HPs
Reagan Democrats, Hillary Republicans -- FFs

Trump Democrats -FF. Trump was a man of the people, and a conservative who rejected Bush at that.

The rest of your post is defensible for someone with your views, but this is just objectively untrue. The people rejected him massively. Man of the Electoral College, sure.

-Defection of Texan and Californian elitists from the GOP really means nothing as to claims if Trump was a man of the people or not.

[Vosem]

LBJ Republicans, Trump Democrats -- HPs
Reagan Democrats, Hillary Republicans -- FFs

Trump Democrats -FF. Trump was a man of the people, and a conservative who rejected Bush at that.

The rest of your post is defensible for someone with your views, but this is just objectively untrue. The people rejected him massively. Man of the Electoral College, sure.

-Defection of Texan and Californian elitists from the GOP really means nothing as to claims if Trump was a man of the people or not.

Er, no. "Man of the people" implies the people voted for him. But they didn't. Mitt Romney is objectively more qualified for that title.

[Santander]

Reagan Democrats- Massive FF(Basically they are people who got tired of High taxes, weak defense , too much regulations and defected to the republican party and stayed there)

Please learn English.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Those who defected from Republicans to Democrats are FFs. Those who did the opposite are HP. (sane)

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

All tilt/lean HP except LBJ Republicans.

[Kingpoleon]

LBJ Republicans - Lean HP
Reagan Democrats - Likely FF
Trump Democrats - Lean HP
Hillary Republicans - Lean HP

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

LBJ Republicans, Trump Democrats -- HPs
Reagan Democrats, Hillary Republicans -- FFs

Trump Democrats -FF. Trump was a man of the people, and a conservative who rejected Bush at that.

The rest of your post is defensible for someone with your views, but this is just objectively untrue. The people rejected him massively. Man of the Electoral College, sure.

-Defection of Texan and Californian elitists from the GOP really means nothing as to claims if Trump was a man of the people or not.

Er, no. "Man of the people" implies the people voted for him. But they didn't. Mitt Romney is objectively more qualified for that title.

-Only in one sense, not in any of the others (thx Gary). And a man of the people can, in fact, alienate elitists and still be called that.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Reagan Democrats- Massive FF(Basically they are people who got tired of High taxes, weak defense , too much regulations and defected to the republican party and stayed there)

Please learn English.

 this is a forum not an essay , all what matters is getting your point across

[RFayette]

All FF's in their own way, though I do like Reagan Democrats the best amongst these.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Those who defected from Republicans to Democrats are FFs. Those who did the opposite are HP. (sane)

Hmm, I would've expected the opposite from you, no? Or do you simply mean for that singular vote?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Those who defected from Republicans to Democrats are FFs. Those who did the opposite are HP. (sane)

Hmm, I would've expected the opposite from you, no? Or do you simply mean for that singular vote?

Well, I believe that voting for any of the four Republican candidates considered here was morally wrong, so obviously I would think more highly of people who did not do so regardless of their party affiliation (which carries less moral weight IMO).

[Vosem]

LBJ Republicans, Trump Democrats -- HPs
Reagan Democrats, Hillary Republicans -- FFs

Trump Democrats -FF. Trump was a man of the people, and a conservative who rejected Bush at that.

The rest of your post is defensible for someone with your views, but this is just objectively untrue. The people rejected him massively. Man of the Electoral College, sure.

-Defection of Texan and Californian elitists from the GOP really means nothing as to claims if Trump was a man of the people or not.

Er, no. "Man of the people" implies the people voted for him. But they didn't. Mitt Romney is objectively more qualified for that title.

-Only in one sense, not in any of the others (thx Gary). And a man of the people can, in fact, alienate elitists and still be called that.

Right, but elitists are by definition a small group. How small can be debated, but they are certainly not a majority of the population, which is how many voted against Donald Trump (54%). Considering there was a slight positive correlation between wealth and likelihood of voting for Trump (though living in a wealthy area made you likely to vote for Clinton, considering that very far from all wealthy people live in places like Atherton), removing "elites" is likely to only put Trump in a deeper hole.

Trump is many things, Eharding. A man of the people just isn't one of them, not under any stretch of the definition anyone can muster. This isn't necessarily a bad thing -- you don't always have to be a man of the people to be a good leader. This is no disqualifier.

[Mr. Smith]

All HP except for LBJ Republicans.

[JA]

All HP except for LBJ Republicans.

[Intell]

People who normally say Reagan Democrats, people don't know who on Earth they're talking about when they saying "Reagan Democrats".

[Kingpoleon]

Those who defected from Republicans to Democrats are FFs. Those who did the opposite are HP. (sane)

Hmm, I would've expected the opposite from you, no? Or do you simply mean for that singular vote?

Well, I believe that voting for any of the four Republican candidates considered here was morally wrong, so obviously I would think more highly of people who did not do so regardless of their party affiliation (which carries less moral weight IMO).

It is immoral to vote for Republicans?

... You need some help.

[America Needs R'hllor]

All are FFs, other than Trump Democrats who are massive HPs.

[SATW]

LBJ Republicans -FF. Goldwater was an FF overall, but I don't blame people for voting for a candidate with Putin-level popularity above someone a bit too hawkish and extreme for their taste.

Reagan Democrats -FF. Carter had led America to fail too much by 1980.

Trump Democrats -FF. Trump was a man of the people, and a conservative who rejected Bush at that.

Hillary Republicans -Major HPs. Mostly elitists with no regard for the common man or the American nation.

This, all of this.

[Phony Moderate]

Neither for all.

[DavidB.]

All FF's in their own way, though I do like Reagan Democrats the best amongst these.

This.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Those who defected from Republicans to Democrats are FFs. Those who did the opposite are HP. (sane)

Hmm, I would've expected the opposite from you, no? Or do you simply mean for that singular vote?

Well, I believe that voting for any of the four Republican candidates considered here was morally wrong, so obviously I would think more highly of people who did not do so regardless of their party affiliation (which carries less moral weight IMO).

It is immoral to vote for Republicans?

... You need some help.

That's the confusing part. It's moral to vote Bush-Dole-Bush-McCain-Romney-Hillary but not Clinton-Gore-Kerry-Obama-Trump apparently (and similarly for the older elections)? lol

[Goldwater]

LBJ Republicans: Lean FF. While I highly dislike LBJ, I realize that a lot of this people in this group defected becasue of civil rights, so I can't exactly call them HPs for that.
Reagan Democrats: Mostly FF, depending on why they switched and how their future voting habits were.
Trump Democrats: Lean HP, politically speaking.
Hillary Republicans: Lean FF, politically speaking.