Opinion of Romney-Hillary voters?

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

[JA]

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

When did you become the decider of what constitutes conservatism or who can self-identify as a conservative? There are different forms of conservatism, varying from liberal conservatism that's common throughout Europe to rightwing populism like Trump. It adapts to the context of each culture, thus it's not an ideology in the same sense as liberalism or socialism, which you want it to be. Conservatism is more of a philosophy and disposition than any set of particular, universal policies.

[Deblano]

I liked Romney, but I don't like Hillary.

So....meh. I guess FF?

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Useless. Should have consulted one of the Forum Right's Ideological Leaders^TM before trying to assemble anything like this.

[Maxwell]

Not a large enough group

[RFayette]

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Out of curiosity, which other users would you consider "true conservatives" on this forum?  Because the +5/+5 cutoff knocks out a ton of people.

[nclib]

I can more easily understand/respect Romney/Clinton voters than Obama/Trump voters.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Out of curiosity, which other users would you consider "true conservatives" on this forum?  Because the +5/+5 cutoff knocks out a ton of people.

Honestly, there aren't many on this forum.  Classic used to be, but he has gotten more populist.  You are probably in there, as is TexasConservative.  Sunrise is borderline, but he may think there are more than two genders.  The new R-FL avatar has pretty good politics too, but his econ score is a little low.  Basically, true conservatives believe in the Pence-Walker-Rubio-Cruz-McCrory ideology that isn't represented well on this forum (but that describes most of the people I know in real life).

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Out of curiosity, which other users would you consider "true conservatives" on this forum?  Because the +5/+5 cutoff knocks out a ton of people.

Honestly, there aren't many on this forum.  Classic used to be, but he has gotten more populist.  You are probably in there, as is TexasConservative.  Sunrise is borderline, but he may think there are more than two genders.  The new R-FL avatar has pretty good politics too, but his econ score is a little low.  Basically, true conservatives believe in the Pence-Walker-Rubio-Cruz-McCrory ideology that isn't represented well on this forum (but that describes most of the people I know in real life).

Conservative does not mean "whatever extremerepublican likes".

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Out of curiosity, which other users would you consider "true conservatives" on this forum?  Because the +5/+5 cutoff knocks out a ton of people.

Honestly, there aren't many on this forum.  Classic used to be, but he has gotten more populist.  You are probably in there, as is TexasConservative.  Sunrise is borderline, but he may think there are more than two genders.  The new R-FL avatar has pretty good politics too, but his econ score is a little low.  Basically, true conservatives believe in the Pence-Walker-Rubio-Cruz-McCrory ideology that isn't represented well on this forum (but that describes most of the people I know in real life).

Conservative does not mean "whatever extremerepublican likes".

But, it does mean whatever a "True Conservative" likes!

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is what I view as a true conservative


1.  Believes high taxes are bad
2.  Supports deregulating business (especially small ones) to stimulate the economy
3.  Supports balancing the budget without raising the top income tax in almost all cases except for the exception of war and an economic recession
4. Opposes Pork Barrel Spending
5.  Supports reducing the power of the executive branch
6 .  Opposes federal war on drugs(after seeing evidence that it hasnt worked)
7.  Supports reducing the size of the federal government and returning many of its powers back to the states
8. Supports reforming welfare
9. Is a realist on foreign  policy

[100% pro-life no matter what]

This is what I view as a true conservative


1.  Believes high taxes are bad
2.  Supports deregulating business (especially small ones) to stimulate the economy
3.  Supports balancing the budget without raising the top income tax in almost all cases except for the exception of war and an economic recession
4. Opposes Pork Barrel Spending
5.  Supports reducing the power of the executive branch
6 .  Opposes federal war on drugs(after seeing evidence that it hasnt worked)
7.  Supports reducing the size of the federal government and returning many of its powers back to the states
8. Supports reforming welfare

So, I guess I don't even count because of #6.  It almost seems like any libertarian could fit your definition.

(Of course, I spend post #4000 arguing about what a true conservative is)

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is what I view as a true conservative


1.  Believes high taxes are bad
2.  Supports deregulating business (especially small ones) to stimulate the economy
3.  Supports balancing the budget without raising the top income tax in almost all cases except for the exception of war and an economic recession
4. Opposes Pork Barrel Spending
5.  Supports reducing the power of the executive branch
6 .  Opposes federal war on drugs(after seeing evidence that it hasnt worked)
7.  Supports reducing the size of the federal government and returning many of its powers back to the states
8. Supports reforming welfare

So, I guess I don't even count because of #6.  It almost seems like any libertarian could fit your definition.

(Of course, I spend post #4000 arguing about what a true conservative is)

If you support the Federal government  waging a war on drugs you wouldnt count but if you support doing it at the state level you would count.


Nope Libertarians wouldnt fit cause they arent realists on foreign policy

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

This is what I view as a true conservative


1.  Believes high taxes are bad
2.  Supports deregulating business (especially small ones) to stimulate the economy
3.  Supports balancing the budget without raising the top income tax in almost all cases except for the exception of war and an economic recession
4. Opposes Pork Barrel Spending
5.  Supports reducing the power of the executive branch
6 .  Opposes federal war on drugs(after seeing evidence that it hasnt worked)
7.  Supports reducing the size of the federal government and returning many of its powers back to the states
8. Supports reforming welfare
9. Is a realist on foreign  policy

-Again, your utterly discordant policy and candidate preferences baffle me.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Like really, what are the philosophical bases for these views of "conservatism"?

[courts]

Like really, what are the philosophical bases for these views of "conservatism"?

your signature probably has something to do with it. not all of it, but something

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is what I view as a true conservative


1.  Believes high taxes are bad
2.  Supports deregulating business (especially small ones) to stimulate the economy
3.  Supports balancing the budget without raising the top income tax in almost all cases except for the exception of war and an economic recession
4. Opposes Pork Barrel Spending
5.  Supports reducing the power of the executive branch
6 .  Opposes federal war on drugs(after seeing evidence that it hasnt worked)
7.  Supports reducing the size of the federal government and returning many of its powers back to the states
8. Supports reforming welfare
9. Is a realist on foreign  policy

-Again, your utterly discordant policy and candidate preferences baffle me.

Kasich and Romney believe in almost all of that except maybe 6 for romney. Kasich as a resume of fighting and accomplishing all of that in his career .

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Like really, what are the philosophical bases for these views of "conservatism"?

your signature probably has something to do with it. not all of it, but something

Ah, the cheapness of Protestantism? Makes sense.

[The_Doctor]

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Hi there.

I come down on the conservative side on all of these except the General of 2016, where I wrote in a Republican for President. Still definitely a conservative. I don't remember my social or economic scores but I've scored above +5 in both areas and dislike the New Deal and the Great Society at a couple of points. I'd call Tom RINO a Republican legitimately.  

I also voted for Cruz in the GOP primaries. No, NOT voting for Trump in the General (but not voting for Clinton) does not make you NOT conservative. (Ditto resisting Donald Trump and his Administration) The man is not a conservative.

[RFayette]

Like really, what are the philosophical bases for these views of "conservatism"?

your signature probably has something to do with it. not all of it, but something

Ah, the cheapness of Protestantism? Makes sense.

Boo!  Hiss!   

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Hi there.

I come down on the conservative side on all of these except the General of 2016, where I wrote in a Republican for President. Still definitely a conservative. I don't remember my social or economic scores but I've scored above +5 in both areas and dislike the New Deal and the Great Society at a couple of points. I'd call Tom RINO a Republican legitimately.  

I also voted for Cruz in the GOP primaries. No, NOT voting for Trump in the General (but not voting for Clinton) does not make you NOT conservative. (Ditto resisting Donald Trump and his Administration) The man is not a conservative.

-You basically became a liberal as a result of your Trump Derangement Syndrome. Sad!

[The_Doctor]

Also, a lot of us liked Bush, McCain, and Romney, and drew the line at Trump. Doesn't make us not part of the Right; for the record.

[The_Doctor]

Let me solve this ongoing Eharding-RINO Tom debate on who the real conservatives are: neither of you are real conservatives.  In fact, no one with a negative social score should call themselves a conservative.  In fact, if any of the following are true, you are not a true conservative:

-I think free trade is a net negative for America
-I think abortion should be allowed in most or all cases
-I would rather have unrestricted privacy, even if it compromises public safety
-I believe that there are more than two genders
-I voted for Donald Trump in the primaries
-I did not vote for Donald Trump in the general election
-My social score is below a +5
-My economic score is below a +5

Hi there.

I come down on the conservative side on all of these except the General of 2016, where I wrote in a Republican for President. Still definitely a conservative. I don't remember my social or economic scores but I've scored above +5 in both areas and dislike the New Deal and the Great Society at a couple of points. I'd call Tom RINO a Republican legitimately. 

I also voted for Cruz in the GOP primaries. No, NOT voting for Trump in the General (but not voting for Clinton) does not make you NOT conservative. (Ditto resisting Donald Trump and his Administration) The man is not a conservative.

-You basically became a liberal as a result of your Trump Derangement Syndrome. Sad!

I am not a liberal but yeah, you need to stop stalking me. I've told you to stop responding to me. You need to learn to respect boundaries and when people tell you to not engage them.

This is the third time I've told you to not respond to me.

[Cashew]

This is what I view as a true conservative


1.  Believes high taxes are bad
2.  Supports deregulating business (especially small ones) to stimulate the economy
3.  Supports balancing the budget without raising the top income tax in almost all cases except for the exception of war and an economic recession
4. Opposes Pork Barrel Spending
5.  Supports reducing the power of the executive branch
6 .  Opposes federal war on drugs(after seeing evidence that it hasnt worked)
7.  Supports reducing the size of the federal government and returning many of its powers back to the states
8. Supports reforming welfare

So, I guess I don't even count because of #6.  It almost seems like any libertarian could fit your definition.

(Of course, I spend post #4000 arguing about what a true conservative is)

If you support the Federal government  waging a war on drugs you wouldnt count but if you support doing it at the state level you would count.
 

Nope. That would be a closeted Neoconfederate.

[RINO Tom]

Even before Trump, most of them were pretty terrible fits for the Republican Party of today. They should just join the Democrats (where their heart belongs) and quit bragging about how voting for Clinton (whether it is in 2016 or 1996) was the only morally acceptable thing to do and that every Republican voter in 2016 is a Dixiecrat, racist or populist. They also seem to have this strange idea that the Republican Party was literally perfect in the age of Bush and appreciated the values of small government and conservatism back then, which is simply not true.

LOL

Anyway, FFs, much better than the rubes who voted for Trump.  Can't wait until "Trumpism" - to the extent it means anything, haha - is discredited.  Trump was a last stand for people like Eharding and TN Vol, and the future of the GOP is gonna be a LITTLE less White trash, friends.