CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart

[EnglishPete]

Milo quits Breitbart. That was quick.

Where are you seeing that?

[EnglishPete]

Milo statement at press conference

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/02/21/full-remarks-milo-delivers-speech-press-conference-amid-video-scandal/

[EnglishPete]

The downfall of Milo is hilarious to watch.

What downfall would that be? You think that college Republicans will stop inviting him to speak at their campuses? You think that he won't be able to make rather more than the $250,000 Simon and Shuster were going to give him from self publishing? If you think either of those things then I think you're wrong. He's going to do just fine out of this.

[EnglishPete]

The downfall of Milo is hilarious to watch.

What downfall would that be? You think that college Republicans will stop inviting him to speak at their campuses? You think that he won't be able to make rather more than the $250,000 Simon and Shuster were going to give him from self publishing? If you think either of those things then I think you're wrong. He's going to do just fine out of this.

Look I know you live in a fantasy world where somehow people who endorse the goals of NAMBLA get off scot free but nope, that isn't this world. Most people, including College Republicans, don't endorse NAMBLA goals.

Well Milo's comments, though crude, did not endorse NAMLA goals either, as is clear from the unedited video. So I'm not sure what your point is? Milo will be getting more invitations from college Republicans soon if he hasn't already.

[EnglishPete]

Full press conference here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asJMvd5VHWc

[EnglishPete]

Daily Caller article on the role of a pro Evan McMullin group in finding, editing and publicising the videos

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http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/21/notorious-never-trump-org-funded-group-behind-milo-controversy/

and one twitter comment about this matter

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https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/834195305562255360

[EnglishPete]

(You heard a lot less from Glenn Beck after he left Fox News)

That was back in 2011 when the media was still dominated more by TV broadcasting than by the internet. Different media world now.

[EnglishPete]

Wow Pete is actually indirectly negatively attacking a group that publicized the videos. As if they did a bad thing instead of a public service. I see there's no low for the alt white nationalist right. Even pedophilia.

Wow. TD's disingenuousness here is so transparent.

[EnglishPete]

(You heard a lot less from Glenn Beck after he left Fox News)

That was back in 2011 when the media was still dominated more by TV broadcasting than by the internet. Different media world now.

True but its tough to start your own media enterprise.

It is but then Yiannopolous has a huge head start with already having a significant public profile, book publicity already started, speaking engagements lined up etc.

[EnglishPete]

Wow Pete is actually indirectly negatively attacking a group that publicized the videos. As if they did a bad thing instead of a public service. I see there's no low for the alt white nationalist right. Even pedophilia.

     We can laugh at the absurdity of how this came to light while also recognizing that what Milo said was legit messed up.

No doubt Milo said some messed up things, apparently in talking about his own experience. However to claim that he is a pedo apologist and then to affect a nauseatingly disingenuous pose of shocked outrage over this claim is frankly contemptible.

[EnglishPete]

Wow Pete is actually indirectly negatively attacking a group that publicized the videos. As if they did a bad thing instead of a public service. I see there's no low for the alt white nationalist right. Even pedophilia.

     We can laugh at the absurdity of how this came to light while also recognizing that what Milo said was legit messed up.

No doubt Milo said some messed up things, apparently in talking about his own experience. However to claim that he is a pedo apologist and then to affect a nauseatingly disingenuous pose of shocked outrage over this claim is frankly contemptible.

When someone condones sex between, "younger boys and older men,' that should set off alarm bells, period.

And no, he wasn't just talking about himself. He said within the gay community itself. You're trying too f**king hard to apologize for someone who did sh*t for you.

Yes that's pretty ed up comments. He now says that the reference to "boys" refers to young men over the age of consent (which I suppose would be analogous to the way straight men will  often refer to full grown women as 'girls'). This explanation is still a bit fcked up in my view but its not illegal or being a pedo apologist (although clearly he is a damaged person).

I'm bringing this up not for the sake of Milo, who will be fine career wise, but because this is clearly part of a concerted effort on the part of the Democrats and the McMuffin gang to attack prominent supporters of Trump (apparently Gavin McInnes is rumoured next in line for the media outrage machine) as part of a general anti Trump campaign.

[EnglishPete]

Wow Pete is actually indirectly negatively attacking a group that publicized the videos. As if they did a bad thing instead of a public service. I see there's no low for the alt white nationalist right. Even pedophilia.

Wow. TD's disingenuousness here is so transparent.

Truth hurts, huh? Nice schtick though. Either way, carry on, with the whole implied “Milo is wronged” schtick though.

Not a question of him being 'wronged'. He said some offensive sh**t and he's taking the consequences of that. Its true that some people have taken the opportunity to present his meaning as being much worse than it was but that's just the way it is. He'll be fine careerwise.

What is appalling about what you have said is the cynical disingenuousness that is so transparent in the tone of your posts. The fact that you are adopting such a tone when discussing child abuse really doesn't speak well of your character.

[EnglishPete]

Interesting take on these events from Roosh V, who of course went through a similar media frenzy a few years ago when the media falsely labelled him a 'rape apologist'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuI3RpeZcc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emLMq1AqvY0

[EnglishPete]

Interesting take on these events from Roosh V, who of course went through a similar media frenzy a few years ago when the media falsely labelled him a 'rape apologist'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuI3RpeZcc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emLMq1AqvY0

Roosh V - 'Make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds. If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone.'

What won't you be an apologist for EnglishPete?

And if you had read the whole article you would realise that it was a satire, a satire that was deliberately misrepresented by big media corporations as a means of attacking the author.

http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape

Perhaps you might react the same way to someone quoting Jonathan Swift "You're advocating for VILE CANNIBALISM ADVOCATE Jonathan Swift!! How low can you go??!!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

[EnglishPete]

This article from renowned left wing paper, the Daily Mail

The Daily Mail, are you sh**tting me? I was unable to verify of find sources for those Daily Mail quotes. Given the Mail's terrible reputation even by the low standards of the UK newspaper industry today I'm afraid that didn't surprise me.

[EnglishPete]

What would you consider to be an appropriate source?
Because everyone outside of the manosphere (and a lot of manospherians) know that Roosh was 100% serious

The references to him being accused of being a 'rape denier' that I've seen seem to center around the "How to stop rape" article. Reading that article its pretty clear that it was satirical. I'm not familiar with his writings on his whole PUA thing, that's never been something I've been into. If you've got evidence of him being a rape apologist/rapist I'll look at it.

An appropriate source would not be a newspaper. Verifiable primary sources would be appropriate sources if you can provide links.

[EnglishPete]

What would you consider to be an appropriate source?
Because everyone outside of the manosphere (and a lot of manospherians) know that Roosh was 100% serious

The references to him being accused of being a 'rape denier' that I've seen seem to center around the "How to stop rape" article. Reading that article its pretty clear that it was satirical. I'm not familiar with his writings on his whole PUA thing, that's never been something I've been into. If you've got evidence of him being a rape apologist/rapist I'll look at it.

An appropriate source would not be a newspaper. Verifiable primary sources would be appropriate sources if you can provide links.

I will, genuinely, devote time to finding screen grabs through web archive (as he tends to delete everything) this weekend.

Might be easier for you if you are able to link to an article by someone else who has already done that (I presume this would have already been done).

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No, but I'll then be able to review what was actually said

[EnglishPete]

The reason I ask is because as part of the mod team, as non plussed as I am these days, I need to know whether you actually are sticking your head out in support of paedophilia/rape apologists.

No, obviously not. Since you are part of the mod team and just for the record I do not condone or support paedophilia/rape apologism.

[EnglishPete]

Milo and his kind survive off of two things - the loving adoration of their supporters and the unrepentant hatred of the rest of us. To ensure that both continue, they need a way to reach their audience. Now that that's gone for Milo - no Twitter, no Breitbart, and likely no public speeches in the foreseeable future - hopefully he starts his descent into the annals of history.

I'm new here, why wouldn't he have twitter as an outlet?

He got banned after making some rude remarks about Lesley Jones.

[EnglishPete]

I see Bill Maher is taking credit for  the Milo media frenzy

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/arts/television/bill-maher-milo-yiannopoulos-interview.html

A clip from an earlier episode of his show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWpNqK4PJiA

An earlier interview maher did

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https://www.playboy.com/articles/playboy-interview-bill-maher

[EnglishPete]

I wonder how many of those leftists condemning Milo for some of his rather screwed up words would also condemn the late Harvey Milk, with whom it wasn't just awful words but awful actions

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http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/15/why-doesnt-obama-condemn-boy-rapist-harvey-milk/

[EnglishPete]

Milk would have been 33 in 1963; thirteen years before homosexual acts were decriminalised in California. Nothing, consensual or otherwise was legal. Californias age of consent is still 18 to this day. It's 16 next door in Nevada which shows how arbitrary such laws are. In the USA ages of consent vary at 16, 17, 18. Not 13 etc.  I think you can have a go at Milk for a lot (Jim Jones for example) But I think there is a distinction between sexual activity/consent at 16 and at 13 particularly when 16 is the age of consent across half of the USA.

Well Milo did say in the video that he thought the 16 year age of consent was 'about right'. The comment about 13 year old was about himself specifically, clearly being in denial about the nature of his abuse. What he was saying, if we accept that his statement that the 16 yr age of consent was about right was indeed his honest view, was that relationships between 16 year old boys and men much older than them can be very good and healthy.  I don't agree with that at all, such relationships sound rather unhealthy to me.

However his own link to this kind of behaviour was, by his own account, as the younger not the older party. Harvey Milk, who like Milo and like George Takia, also started out being molested by older men when in his early teens. When he was well into his thirties he started a sexual relationship with a 16 year old runaway. Dude, can you not see how exploitative and ed up such a relationship is. But he is apparently a hero to the left and even to Obama himself.

I've noticed as well that those on this thread who were waxing indignant about Milo's words have had nothing to say about Bill Maher's considerably worse words in repeatedly and at length defending a woman in her early thirties molesting a twelve year old boy. I notice as well that none of the media hypocrites denouncing Milo have asked Maher to retract or apologise for his words. Its almost as if their indignation was disingenuous and cynical and that they don't actually give a sh**t about child abuse apologism.

[EnglishPete]

I wonder how many of those leftists condemning Milo for some of his rather screwed up words would also condemn the late Harvey Milk, with whom it wasn't just awful words but awful actions

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http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/15/why-doesnt-obama-condemn-boy-rapist-harvey-milk/

Stop deflecting.

The question is whether those who are so keen to denounce Yiannopolous for his words are doing so because of honest reaction to those words or whether many of them don't actually give a sh**t about child abuse apologism or even actual child abuse and are just raising the issue to score political points. That's a very important aspect of this topic.

Perhaps you could help find the answer to this question by giving your own views on the Harvey Milk case and on the Bill Maher case. Of course if you don't want to answer that question you're under no obligation to do so.

[EnglishPete]

Stop deflecting

You don't want to say what your views are of the Milk and Maher cases after posting several times your clear views on the Milo case? I understand.

[EnglishPete]

What can you expect from a bigot who wants to defend Milo Yiannopoulos but knows it's too impolitic to do so, so he finds other targets to get around that Milo is pond scum and is rightfully disgraced? Remember he came pretty close to rape/pedophilia apologia here and "denounced" it only because a mod asked him. Pete has demonstrated anti-Muslim bigotry and his writings imply he's a virulent white nationalist who hates the current prevailing paradigm of welcoming diversity.  There's no point in engaging him because he believes his sources are impeccable and refuses to acknowledge your sources are anything but the fevered dreams of angry leftists. (All of this alt-right behavior, by the way, has a strong racial component and white nationalist basis. It's not found in other areas of the ideological spectrum).

Pete is pretty deplorable. We need to appellate the same thing we do for Krazen and say "Stop feeding the Stormfront troll" in the threads he starts or tries to bait other posters in. Mockery or reminding others that engaging him is a waste of time is the best way to handle him.

Well you've given your views on Milo at length and just typed at a lengthy foaming at the mouth rant about me but you don't really want to give your views on the cases Milk or Maher and you recommend everyone else avoid the topic as well. I understand.