McCain (on Trump): Dictators 'get started by suppressing free press'

[Middle-aged Europe]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Guess that's why McCain voted for the Portman-Murphy anti-press law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_Act

[Beet]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

[publicunofficial]

McCain is your friend who complains constantly about her boyfriend but will never, ever, ever dump him.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

The recent glorification by the left of the warmongering/neocon/evil to the core segment of the GOP simply because they oppose Trump is pathetic.

[Beet]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect (his warmongering is a horror and I could never vote for him) but he understand this better than Trump.

[The_Doctor]

McCain needs to act on his beliefs and with principle. Words are wind without action.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

The recent glorification by the left of the warmongering/neocon/evil to the core segment of the GOP simply because they oppose Trump is pathetic.

-Agreed. These people are sick. Cults of anti-personality (or cults of personality!) are never my cup of tea.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

McCain is your friend who complains constantly about her boyfriend but will never, ever, ever dump him.

If she calls the cops on him, I don't care if she keeps dating him while he's in jail.

[Beet]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

[America Needs R'hllor]

McCain is your friend who complains constantly about her boyfriend but will never, ever, ever dump him.

This.

[Beet]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?

-North Korea was a Soviet puppet government which remained dancing long after its master had passed. It is the product of people, but of very few people. Dictatorships are always more variable in their acts than democracies. One should generally look at democracies for present purposes.

[Beet]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?

-North Korea was a Soviet puppet government which remained dancing long after its master had passed. It is the product of people, but of very few people. Dictatorships are always more variable in their acts than democracies. One should generally look at democracies for present purposes.

But if institutions are the product of people, how did North Korea end up as a dictatorship, and South Korea an eventual democracy? Are these people of different ethnicities?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yes.

And dictators get their way because of people like McCain who do nothing to stop them.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?

-North Korea was a Soviet puppet government which remained dancing long after its master had passed. It is the product of people, but of very few people. Dictatorships are always more variable in their acts than democracies. One should generally look at democracies for present purposes.

But if institutions are the product of people, how did North Korea end up as a dictatorship, and South Korea an eventual democracy? Are these people of different ethnicities?

-Again, North Korea ended up as a dictatorship due to the decisions of very few people (Stalin, Kim il-Sung, etc.). In any case, North Korea is obviously qualitatively different from similar one-man Marxist-Leninist totalitarian states. Look at its Index of Economic Complexity (of goods exports) -it is roughly at the same level as Mauritius and Greece, not Cuba, which ranks far lower.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Yes.

And dictators get their way because of people like McCain who do nothing to stop them.

-Not "nothing to stop"; actively encourage government to become a dictatorship. Take a look at the measures McCain has voted for and disagrees with Trump on.

[Beet]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?

-North Korea was a Soviet puppet government which remained dancing long after its master had passed. It is the product of people, but of very few people. Dictatorships are always more variable in their acts than democracies. One should generally look at democracies for present purposes.

But if institutions are the product of people, how did North Korea end up as a dictatorship, and South Korea an eventual democracy? Are these people of different ethnicities?

-Again, North Korea ended up as a dictatorship due to the decisions of very few people (Stalin, Kim il-Sung, etc.). In any case, North Korea is obviously qualitatively different from similar one-man Marxist-Leninist totalitarian states. Look at its Index of Economic Complexity (of goods exports) -it is roughly at the same level as Mauritius and Greece, not Cuba, which ranks far lower.

Are you seriously arguing that North Korea is better off than Cuba?

[Mr. Morden]

Btw, did any of you see McCain's speech in Munich?  Talk about a passive-aggressive speech about Trump without actually mentioning Trump's name:

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2017/2/remarks-by-sasc-chairman-john-mccain-at-the-2017-munich-security-conference

[Antonio the Sixth]

Btw, did any of you see McCain's speech in Munich?  Talk about a passive-aggressive speech about Trump without actually mentioning Trump's name:

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2017/2/remarks-by-sasc-chairman-john-mccain-at-the-2017-munich-security-conference

Very appropriate that it happened in Munich.

[Middle-aged Europe]

The recent glorification by the left of the warmongering/neocon/evil to the core segment of the GOP simply because they oppose Trump is pathetic.

I always had a relatively high opinion of John McCain.

This goes back to his opposition to some of George W. Bush's policies though... like his opposition to torture.

Foreign policy-wise, McCain is indeed way too much of a hawk for my taste. This is why I wouldn't want to see him as president.

Still, he was probably the most decent man the Republicans nominated for president in the past 20 years.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump-dictators/index.html

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?

-North Korea was a Soviet puppet government which remained dancing long after its master had passed. It is the product of people, but of very few people. Dictatorships are always more variable in their acts than democracies. One should generally look at democracies for present purposes.

But if institutions are the product of people, how did North Korea end up as a dictatorship, and South Korea an eventual democracy? Are these people of different ethnicities?

-Again, North Korea ended up as a dictatorship due to the decisions of very few people (Stalin, Kim il-Sung, etc.). In any case, North Korea is obviously qualitatively different from similar one-man Marxist-Leninist totalitarian states. Look at its Index of Economic Complexity (of goods exports) -it is roughly at the same level as Mauritius and Greece, not Cuba, which ranks far lower.

Are you seriously arguing that North Korea is better off than Cuba?

-Not in living standards, but in the diversity and rarity of its goods exports. Likewise, Qatar is substantially better off than Bulgaria, but certainly not in the diversity and rarity of its goods exports.

Take a look:
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/prk/
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/cub/

It requires quite a bit more knowledge to have the industries North Korea has than to have those which Cuba has.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

The recent glorification by the left of the warmongering/neocon/evil to the core segment of the GOP simply because they oppose Trump is pathetic.

I always had a relatively high opinion of John McCain.

This goes back to his opposition to some of George W. Bush's policies though... like his opposition to torture.

Foreign policy-wise, McCain is indeed way too much of a hawk for my taste. This is why I wouldn't want to see him as president.

Still, he was probably the most decent man the Republicans nominated for president in the past 20 years.

-I find nothing decent about either McCain or Romney as politicians.

[publicunofficial]

The recent glorification by the left of the warmongering/neocon/evil to the core segment of the GOP simply because they oppose Trump is pathetic.

How many people heaping praises to McCain/Graham, or wanting Evan McMullin to run for Senate, also said Bernie shouldn't be the nominee because he's "Not a real Democrat?"