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Beet
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« on: February 18, 2017, 04:37:13 PM »


McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2017, 04:44:39 PM »


McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect (his warmongering is a horror and I could never vote for him) but he understand this better than Trump.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2017, 05:03:07 PM »


McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.
America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2017, 05:21:15 PM »


McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.
America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?
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Beet
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2017, 05:32:38 PM »


McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.
America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?

-North Korea was a Soviet puppet government which remained dancing long after its master had passed. It is the product of people, but of very few people. Dictatorships are always more variable in their acts than democracies. One should generally look at democracies for present purposes.

But if institutions are the product of people, how did North Korea end up as a dictatorship, and South Korea an eventual democracy? Are these people of different ethnicities?
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Beet
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2017, 05:37:21 PM »


McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.
America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?

-North Korea was a Soviet puppet government which remained dancing long after its master had passed. It is the product of people, but of very few people. Dictatorships are always more variable in their acts than democracies. One should generally look at democracies for present purposes.

But if institutions are the product of people, how did North Korea end up as a dictatorship, and South Korea an eventual democracy? Are these people of different ethnicities?

-Again, North Korea ended up as a dictatorship due to the decisions of very few people (Stalin, Kim il-Sung, etc.). In any case, North Korea is obviously qualitatively different from similar one-man Marxist-Leninist totalitarian states. Look at its Index of Economic Complexity (of goods exports) -it is roughly at the same level as Mauritius and Greece, not Cuba, which ranks far lower.

Are you seriously arguing that North Korea is better off than Cuba?
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