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« on: February 20, 2017, 12:08:47 AM »

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/19/populist-correctness-new-pc-culture-trump-america-brexit-britain

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At best the case could be made that Americans of both political persuasions are inclined towards being easily offended. The right wing is no less likely to be triggered by something of which they disapprove than someone who's left wing. All that differs is what their triggers are. Those pushing Populist Correctness are triggered by any utterance or action that defies what they perceive as representative of the majority, the angry average Joe, the non-coastal elite, the "true Americans." If you dare say "happy holidays," well then you're a damn traitor and you risk triggering the true Americans who're offended on behalf of the majority their candidate never won. Any opinion that offends them is labeled with that word that now makes liberals recoil and tremble - "elistist." That word is the new "liberal" in American political discourse. Hit a Democrat with that word just once and watch them perform contortions to prove how non-elitist they are. Now calling people racists or citing facts are triggers and you should be ashamed for being such an elitist who's out of touch with real Americans.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2017, 01:24:24 AM »

It's real and much worse than regular political correctness. Oldskool political correctness, as annoying as it can be at times, at least stems from a good place: An idea about treating people equally and being sensitive towards the feelings of other people (and yes, I too get annoyed when PC liberals freak out over a sexist joke or something similar). Populist correctness is about the exact opposite, about elevating the feelings of the dominant white christian majority above those of everybody else.
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2017, 06:13:11 AM »

No, as your use of the word populist irks me the wrong way.
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2017, 06:18:11 AM »

Option 1 (normal)
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2017, 07:16:12 AM »

‘SJW’s are often accused of being offended on behalf of others (which can be misguided altruism), but those on the right are offended on behalf of themselves. They don’t like doing anything that requires a minimum of effort, change or introspection. Everything that’s done on behalf of someone else, becomes all about them.

So LGBT rights isn’t about anything else but ‘why should I have to bake a cake’? Trans rights are about ‘what about when I go to the toilet’? Big issues on discrimination are distilled into small little personal inconveniences that they think are bigger than the issues that affect the other side. Everything that isn’t them or like them is an inconvenience. The entire 2016 campaign was about creating a big national ‘safe space’ from economic realities, environmental realities and demographic change. For those who are religious, the USA is the number one country in the world where you can pick a church to suit you and cocoon yourself there every Sunday, surrounded by the same people, who think the same things who reinforce it. And in close knit areas that can spill into the local communities too. They are ‘safe spaces’ (which you will hopefully have gathered I’m not against in principle, but demonstrably exist as much on the right as they do on the left). Your Facebook feed where you share the same dross with your equally reactionary friends is a safe space. Your news outlets that filter it for you are safe spaces.

Reality is 'fake news' because it's little chinks of light that confirm that they are living inside their own heads. That what they have built up to be 'a truth' because it feels true (and demand to be treated as a 'protected class' of truth if you will) isn't, yet, superseding reality for everyone else.

They are vulnerable, scared and thin skinned.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2017, 08:58:58 AM »

Nice try, zero points
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2017, 09:29:05 AM »

So you guys are pissed that some softies on the right stole your playbook?  It sucks when the other side totally shuts down any chance of debate by calling you something you're not doesn't it?  Do you learn something from this?  No, you start a poll asking if people on the right doing the same thing some people on the left have been doing for years is less bad or more bad.  The answer, clearly, is that both are bad and both should be rejected by allies of the assclowns doing it.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2017, 09:44:10 AM »

So you guys are pissed that some softies on the right stole your playbook?  It sucks when the other side totally shuts down any chance of debate by calling you something you're not doesn't it?  Do you learn something from this?  No, you start a poll asking if people on the right doing the same thing some people on the left have been doing for years is less bad or more bad.  The answer, clearly, is that both are bad and both should be rejected by allies of the assclowns doing it.

The difference between the right and the left on victimhood couldn't be more clear-cut.

The Left: Everyone should be treated the same, and discrimination is bad.

The Right: We want to be special snowflakes, and to be free to discriminate against others.

Telling people living in a bubble that they live in a bubble isn't discrimination, and stopping abusers from abusing others is not abuse.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2017, 09:53:17 AM »

Option #1 -- real, and far more objectionable and destructive. 
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2017, 09:59:32 AM »

So you guys are pissed that some softies on the right stole your playbook?  It sucks when the other side totally shuts down any chance of debate by calling you something you're not doesn't it?  Do you learn something from this?  No, you start a poll asking if people on the right doing the same thing some people on the left have been doing for years is less bad or more bad.  The answer, clearly, is that both are bad and both should be rejected by allies of the assclowns doing it.

The difference between the right and the left on victimhood couldn't be more clear-cut.

The Left: Everyone should be treated the same, and discrimination is bad.

The Right: We want to be special snowflakes, and to be free to discriminate against others.

Telling people living in a bubble that they live in a bubble isn't discrimination, and stopping abusers from abusing others is not abuse.

But if they're socially shamed for abusing, dehumanizing, and offending those who don't fit their specific group, then how can they go on with life in such an intolerably oppressive society?!
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2017, 10:51:20 AM »

We can end political correctness and start doing the same thing to rural blue collar whites that we say to inner city blacks. Why should we tell them we're going to bring their jobs back? Maybe we should tell them to work harder, get education or job training and pull themselves up by the bootstraps because the government doesn't owe them money and they're just lazy for not working or having jobs???
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2017, 11:16:05 AM »

We can end political correctness and start doing the same thing to rural blue collar whites that we say to inner city blacks. Why should we tell them we're going to bring their jobs back? Maybe we should tell them to work harder, get education or job training and pull themselves up by the bootstraps because the government doesn't owe them money and they're just lazy for not working or having jobs???

Or at least move to where people are hiring. They usually make an excuse that they have family or something where they are...staying in a place because of family just doesn't work. I had to move to three cities where I didn't know anyone before.
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2017, 01:02:43 PM »

We can end political correctness and start doing the same thing to rural blue collar whites that we say to inner city blacks. Why should we tell them we're going to bring their jobs back? Maybe we should tell them to work harder, get education or job training and pull themselves up by the bootstraps because the government doesn't owe them money and they're just lazy for not working or having jobs???

Or at least move to where people are hiring. They usually make an excuse that they have family or something where they are...staying in a place because of family just doesn't work. I had to move to three cities where I didn't know anyone before.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2017, 01:12:13 PM »

The left controls most of education and the entertainment industry.  That is why left-wing political correctness is more dangerous, a lot more people are being influenced.
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2017, 04:04:43 PM »

We can end political correctness and start doing the same thing to rural blue collar whites that we say to inner city blacks. Why should we tell them we're going to bring their jobs back? Maybe we should tell them to work harder, get education or job training and pull themselves up by the bootstraps because the government doesn't owe them money and they're just lazy for not working or having jobs???

Or at least move to where people are hiring. They usually make an excuse that they have family or something where they are...staying in a place because of family just doesn't work. I had to move to three cities where I didn't know anyone before.

Should the democrats really ape Lord Norman Tebbitt though?
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2017, 04:16:50 PM »
« Edited: February 20, 2017, 04:21:23 PM by TD »

The alt rights are snowflakes of the highest order who would run screaming to Mommy the minute someone insulted them or looked at them cross eyed. The SJW Left also has this problem but the right has been virulently infected by this diseased lunacy. The SJW left still is a tiny minority.

The alt right would wet their pants at the thought of actually fighting for their ideals openly, which is why they harass people online and anonymously. They're cowards and people who would turn on this country at the drop of a hat.

Radical Islam? 95% of them would be bowing towards Tehran if an actual ISIS fighter was within 50 miles of them. They are plain and simple “cucks.˝
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2017, 04:59:06 PM »

The alt rights are snowflakes of the highest order who would run screaming to Mommy the minute someone insulted them or looked at them cross eyed. The SJW Left also has this problem but the right has been virulently infected by this diseased lunacy. The SJW left still is a tiny minority.

The alt right would wet their pants at the thought of actually fighting for their ideals openly, which is why they harass people online and anonymously. They're cowards and people who would turn on this country at the drop of a hat.

Radical Islam? 95% of them would be bowing towards Tehran if an actual ISIS fighter was within 50 miles of them. They are plain and simple “cucks.˝

The alt-right is very small.  There also aren't any alt-right professors brainwashing students.
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2017, 05:27:40 PM »

The alt rights are snowflakes of the highest order who would run screaming to Mommy the minute someone insulted them or looked at them cross eyed. The SJW Left also has this problem but the right has been virulently infected by this diseased lunacy. The SJW left still is a tiny minority.

The alt right would wet their pants at the thought of actually fighting for their ideals openly, which is why they harass people online and anonymously. They're cowards and people who would turn on this country at the drop of a hat.

Radical Islam? 95% of them would be bowing towards Tehran if an actual ISIS fighter was within 50 miles of them. They are plain and simple “cucks.˝

The alt-right is very small.  There also aren't any alt-right professors brainwashing students.

Nor are there any SJW professors brainwashing students.
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2017, 05:36:07 PM »

The alt rights are snowflakes of the highest order who would run screaming to Mommy the minute someone insulted them or looked at them cross eyed. The SJW Left also has this problem but the right has been virulently infected by this diseased lunacy. The SJW left still is a tiny minority.

The alt right would wet their pants at the thought of actually fighting for their ideals openly, which is why they harass people online and anonymously. They're cowards and people who would turn on this country at the drop of a hat.

Radical Islam? 95% of them would be bowing towards Tehran if an actual ISIS fighter was within 50 miles of them. They are plain and simple “cucks.˝

The alt-right is very small.  There also aren't any alt-right professors brainwashing students.

Nor are there any SJW professors brainwashing students.

But how else do you explain college students not giving into our nativist fearmongering?!?!?!?!
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2017, 05:44:20 PM »

The alt rights are snowflakes of the highest order who would run screaming to Mommy the minute someone insulted them or looked at them cross eyed. The SJW Left also has this problem but the right has been virulently infected by this diseased lunacy. The SJW left still is a tiny minority.

The alt right would wet their pants at the thought of actually fighting for their ideals openly, which is why they harass people online and anonymously. They're cowards and people who would turn on this country at the drop of a hat.

Radical Islam? 95% of them would be bowing towards Tehran if an actual ISIS fighter was within 50 miles of them. They are plain and simple “cucks.˝

The alt-right is very small.  There also aren't any alt-right professors brainwashing students.

Nor are there any SJW professors brainwashing students.

This is where that whole "alternative facts," "liberal media," political correctness hysteria comes from. This is why we can't even agree on facts anymore. This is why consensus views among the scientific community can be dismissed based on personal beliefs, internet articles, right wing commentators, and "I heard" nonsense, such as anthropogenic climate change and evolution. Because in the end all they have to do is claim there's some conspiracy where everyone who has access to extensive data, information, research, and is thoroughly trained in the rigorous process of the scientific method and extensive higher education, are all part of a single ideology. And, interestingly, these highly trained professionals came to generally adopt this ideology, not due to the facts, but due to brainwashing. Yes, there's a liberal bias in the humanities and social sciences; even conservatives in these fields tend to diverge considerably from mainstream conservatism. Yet these right wing types are so convinced of their own superiority that they can't fathom that maybe those who're more well read and educated came to these different conclusions specifically because they're more well read and educated.
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2017, 06:12:43 PM »

The alt rights are snowflakes of the highest order who would run screaming to Mommy the minute someone insulted them or looked at them cross eyed. The SJW Left also has this problem but the right has been virulently infected by this diseased lunacy. The SJW left still is a tiny minority.

The alt right would wet their pants at the thought of actually fighting for their ideals openly, which is why they harass people online and anonymously. They're cowards and people who would turn on this country at the drop of a hat.

Radical Islam? 95% of them would be bowing towards Tehran if an actual ISIS fighter was within 50 miles of them. They are plain and simple “cucks.˝

The alt-right is very small.  There also aren't any alt-right professors brainwashing students.

Nor are there any SJW professors brainwashing students.

This is where that whole "alternative facts," "liberal media," political correctness hysteria comes from. This is why we can't even agree on facts anymore. This is why consensus views among the scientific community can be dismissed based on personal beliefs, internet articles, right wing commentators, and "I heard" nonsense, such as anthropogenic climate change and evolution. Because in the end all they have to do is claim there's some conspiracy where everyone who has access to extensive data, information, research, and is thoroughly trained in the rigorous process of the scientific method and extensive higher education, are all part of a single ideology. And, interestingly, these highly trained professionals came to generally adopt this ideology, not due to the facts, but due to brainwashing. Yes, there's a liberal bias in the humanities and social sciences; even conservatives in these fields tend to diverge considerably from mainstream conservatism. Yet these right wing types are so convinced of their own superiority that they can't fathom that maybe those who're more well read and educated came to these different conclusions specifically because they're more well read and educated.

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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2017, 06:33:15 PM »

Since we've decided it's alright to physically assault Nazis, we probably should be strict with the definition. Not unreasonable. I don't know why they would bring that up as the first example since there are a lot better cases to be made for the existence of a political correctness of the right.
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2017, 07:25:11 PM »

The alt rights are snowflakes of the highest order who would run screaming to Mommy the minute someone insulted them or looked at them cross eyed. The SJW Left also has this problem but the right has been virulently infected by this diseased lunacy. The SJW left still is a tiny minority.

The alt right would wet their pants at the thought of actually fighting for their ideals openly, which is why they harass people online and anonymously. They're cowards and people who would turn on this country at the drop of a hat.

Radical Islam? 95% of them would be bowing towards Tehran if an actual ISIS fighter was within 50 miles of them. They are plain and simple “cucks.˝

The alt-right is very small.  There also aren't any alt-right professors brainwashing students.

Nor are there any SJW professors brainwashing students.

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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2017, 07:36:56 PM »
« Edited: February 20, 2017, 07:39:07 PM by Cashew »

The SJW Left also has this problem but the right has been virulently infected by this diseased lunacy. The SJW left still is a tiny minority.


The SJW left has destroyed careers on a daily basis despite how "tiny" they are, which only proves the institutional support they have. By contrast the only scalp that can be attributed to the alt right is that one Reddit CEO.
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2017, 11:27:48 PM »
« Edited: February 20, 2017, 11:41:36 PM by Make Pepe Apolitical Again »

Option 1, but two things, both of which relate to something I talked about at some length in the recent past:

1. Enormous numbers of people having to leave everyone they know behind and move all over creation in order to have a materially decent life is, in the aggregate, roundly not a state of affairs that we as a people should be accepting of or resigned to, even if we have to recommend it as a course of action to individuals.
2. Just because you can see that your political and cultural adversaries live in a bubble doesn't mean that you don't live in one too. Thinking that it does is endemic on the Trumpist right and I don't want to see that thinking metastasize onto the anti-Trump left if we can avoid it.
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