NBC/SurveyMonkey: Most Americans (but not young Repubs) think Russia unfriendly

[Mr. Morden]

NBC/SurveyMonkey has a new poll on NATO and Russia:

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/data-points/poll-majority-americans-worried-about-war-feel-favorably-toward-nato-n723931

[KingSweden]

I wouldn't call Russia an enemy - more of a "strategic rival" - but an ally they are not. Ludicrous. Reagan must be rolling in his grave

[Confused Democrat]

Those 18-29 and 30-44 numbers are frightening.

I can rationalize an aversion to labeling Russia an enemy of the US, but they're certainly not friendly and most certainly not an ally.

[Dr. Arch]

Those 18-29 and 30-44 numbers are frightening.

I can rationalize an aversion to labeling Russia an enemy of the US, but they're certainly not friendly and most certainly not an ally.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Those 18-29 and 30-44 numbers are frightening.

I can rationalize an aversion to labeling Russia an enemy of the US, but they're certainly not friendly and most certainly not an ally.

Well they're cucks. What do you expect?

[The_Doctor]

Fascinating. The Republicans go from the national security party to being the less internationalist and pro-American hegemony party. Reagan is indeed rolling in his grave, and the Republican Party are slowly ceding their dominance on national security (which has been slipping since 2005).*


*I supported the war in Iraq but it was poorly sold.

[dead0man]

Those 18-29 and 30-44 numbers are frightening.

I can rationalize an aversion to labeling Russia an enemy of the US, but they're certainly not friendly and most certainly not an ally.

It's very strange to me...I once thought I understood these people.  Really though, young conservatives have always been a little weird (no offense to most of our young conservatives here, but we special).

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Wow! I thought young Republicans were terrible! This is awesome! This might be becoming a tolerable party after all!!!

[Beet]

In same the poll, 51% consider China at least friendly as well

Other notable results:
58% say immigration helps more than hurts
56% oppose the Wall
80% say NATO is good
68% do not want Roe v Wade overturned
66% are worried about a major war
61% favor the United Nations
Only 22% say repeal "all" of the Affordable Care Act

Opinion on Muslim ban is split 50%-47% in favor

[Mr. Morden]

In same the poll, 51% consider China at least friendly as well

Yeah, though I don’t see crosstabs given there for China.

Looks like this poll by Morning Consult asks almost exactly the same questions on multiple countries:

http://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015a-62e4-dc17-a57a-f6fc0d810002

Russia: ally, friendly, unfriendly, enemy?

all RVs:
ally or friendly 43%
enemy or unfriendly 43%

Dems
ally or friendly 33%
enemy or unfriendly 55%

GOP
ally or friendly 54%
enemy or unfriendly 32%

age 18-29
ally or friendly 51%
enemy or unfriendly 30%

age 65+
ally or friendly 40%
enemy or unfriendly 52%

China: ally, friendly, unfriendly, enemy?

all RVs:
ally or friendly 51%
enemy or unfriendly 34%

Dems
ally or friendly 52%
enemy or unfriendly 33%

GOP
ally or friendly 51%
enemy or unfriendly 35%

age 18-29
ally or friendly 54%
enemy or unfriendly 20%

age 65+
ally or friendly 50%
enemy or unfriendly 43%

Oh, there’s also this…

“Do you feel the US relationship with Russia is too close, not close enough, or about right?”

Dems
too close 36%
about right 19%
not close enough 24%

GOP
too close 13%
about right 39%
not close enough 28%

[Goldwater]

Wow, what a generational divide. I honestly did not expect young Republicans to be so supportive of Russia...

[Blackacre]

No, this is expected. The younger generations don't have any memory of the soviet union

[ApatheticAustrian]

young republicans really hate liberty and freedom.

[Santander]

Wow! I thought young Republicans were terrible! This is awesome! This might be becoming a tolerable party after all!!!

[Dr. Arch]

young republicans really hate liberty and freedom.

They're also a notable minority in their generation so I'm not worried too much about their HP views.

[OneJ]

Those 18-29 and 30-44 numbers are frightening.

I can rationalize an aversion to labeling Russia an enemy of the US, but they're certainly not friendly and most certainly not an ally.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Wow! I thought young Republicans were terrible! This is awesome! This might be becoming a tolerable party after all!!!

Those Democrat numbers are frightening.

Confused Democrat; you're confused, there's no good reason America should be unfriendly with Russia.

Russophobia does not work on people immune to the propagandists spreading it. Thus, Democrat opposition to the Iraq War.

Are young Democrats more likely to support the Iraq War than young Republicans? Somebody's gotta check up on that.

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[ApatheticAustrian]

this is whataboutism as usual.

if russia wouldn't try so hard to be our enemy, it really would be nice to cooperate on a closer level but as long as the global right-wing russian empire of influence and control is spreading, there won't be any closer partnership.

[Xing]

I mean, I definitely don't think Russia is our #1 foe, or even necessarily an enemy, It's clearly not an ally at this point, though, and Putin is anything but our friend.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I mean, I definitely don't think Russia is our #1 foe, or even necessarily an enemy, It's clearly not an ally at this point, though, and Putin is anything but our friend.

depends on your definition of "enemy".

if a country or maybe an organization which wants to kill you but lacks the ways to do so, is the number one foe - a logical explanation - then ofc there are worse foes than russia.

if a country which fights on a global level, to break your own influence and filling the void itself, is a logical foe....then it must be china.

if a country which tries to subdue all states around its borders, trying to undermine all your allies and waging a global stealth campaign against you on all possible levels (military, technology, intelligence, values), trying to not only weaken your influence......but change the way YOU are doing things...is the foe #1..... then it MUST be russia.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

this is whataboutism as usual.

if russia wouldn't try so hard to be our enemy, it really would be nice to cooperate on a closer level but as long as the global right-wing russian empire of influence and control is spreading, there won't be any closer partnership.

-So it was Russia that overthrew Ukraine's government, supported al-Qaeda in Syria, propagandizes its citizens to hate itself, saber-rattled around Cuba, and placed the completely unjustifiable sanctions on it on itself?

[Horus]

Well, it's a good thing there aren't many young Republicans I guess.

[ApatheticAustrian]

So it was Russia that overthrew Ukraine's government, supported al-Qaeda in Syria, propagandizes its citizens to hate itself, saber-rattled around Cuba, and placed the completely unjustifiable sanctions on it on itself?

well... Newton's Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction.

the core of the problem, cut down through the BS, is:

russia can't accept that the former sovjet republics are now independent....it can't accept its own history....that's the main reason why stalin is becoming more popular each year once again.

if russia would have accepted in 2004, that the ukraine is now an independent nation....and would't have threatened it to change its stand on the association agreement with the EU....all of this would never have happened.

i never ever claim, that the US is blameless how things played down in africa and asia but russia is even more of a traditional empire, not accepting gray or independent nations to exist peacefully in its neighbourhood.

all those border countries want to join NATO not because they are bribed but because it's the only way to be free and safe.

russia must follow the path of respect and friendship - otherwise this is going to go on forever.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

So it was Russia that overthrew Ukraine's government, supported al-Qaeda in Syria, propagandizes its citizens to hate itself, saber-rattled around Cuba, and placed the completely unjustifiable sanctions on it on itself?

well... Newton's Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction.

the core of the problem, cut down through the BS, is:

russia can't accept that the former sovjet republics are now independent....it can't accept its own history....that's the main reason why stalin is becoming more popular each year once again.

if russia would have accepted in 2004, that the ukraine is now an independent nation....and would't have threatened it to change its stand on the association agreement with the EU....all of this would never have happened.

i never ever claim, that the US is blameless how things played down in africa and asia but russia is even more of a traditional empire, not accepting gray or independent nations to exist peacefully in its neighbourhood.

all those border countries want to join NATO not because they are bribed but because it's the only way to be free and safe.

russia must follow the path of respect and friendship - otherwise this is going to go on forever.

-No; Russia can't accept blatant violations of the rules of the game in the former Soviet Republics (e.g., Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia and Abhazia, the coup in Ukraine). If it finds the Western nations are perfectly willing to support any and all violations of the rules of the game as long as Russia's territorial integrity is threatened by them, it will continue to counter such subversion with all necessary means.

[ApatheticAustrian]

-No; Russia can't accept blatant violations of the rules of the game in the former Soviet Republics (e.g., Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia and Abhazia, the coup in Ukraine). If it finds the Western nations are perfectly willing to support any and all violations of the rules of the game as long as Russia's territorial integrity is threatened by them, it will continue to counter such subversion with all necessary means.

this is NOT russia's territory - period.

which just underlines my point.

russia is russia is russia.

the other countries are NOT RUSSIA and russia can threaten those countries or try to convince them through friendship and respect...the putin way is the way of ruin.

as i said.....bush was an idiot regarding the rocket shield but the imperial attitude of russia and its global war for illiberalism and 18th century values must be opposed by all liberty-loving democrats.