NBC/SurveyMonkey: Most Americans (but not young Repubs) think Russia unfriendly

[ApatheticAustrian]

young republicans really hate liberty and freedom.

[ApatheticAustrian]

this is whataboutism as usual.

if russia wouldn't try so hard to be our enemy, it really would be nice to cooperate on a closer level but as long as the global right-wing russian empire of influence and control is spreading, there won't be any closer partnership.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I mean, I definitely don't think Russia is our #1 foe, or even necessarily an enemy, It's clearly not an ally at this point, though, and Putin is anything but our friend.

depends on your definition of "enemy".

if a country or maybe an organization which wants to kill you but lacks the ways to do so, is the number one foe - a logical explanation - then ofc there are worse foes than russia.

if a country which fights on a global level, to break your own influence and filling the void itself, is a logical foe....then it must be china.

if a country which tries to subdue all states around its borders, trying to undermine all your allies and waging a global stealth campaign against you on all possible levels (military, technology, intelligence, values), trying to not only weaken your influence......but change the way YOU are doing things...is the foe #1..... then it MUST be russia.

[ApatheticAustrian]

So it was Russia that overthrew Ukraine's government, supported al-Qaeda in Syria, propagandizes its citizens to hate itself, saber-rattled around Cuba, and placed the completely unjustifiable sanctions on it on itself?

well... Newton's Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction.

the core of the problem, cut down through the BS, is:

russia can't accept that the former sovjet republics are now independent....it can't accept its own history....that's the main reason why stalin is becoming more popular each year once again.

if russia would have accepted in 2004, that the ukraine is now an independent nation....and would't have threatened it to change its stand on the association agreement with the EU....all of this would never have happened.

i never ever claim, that the US is blameless how things played down in africa and asia but russia is even more of a traditional empire, not accepting gray or independent nations to exist peacefully in its neighbourhood.

all those border countries want to join NATO not because they are bribed but because it's the only way to be free and safe.

russia must follow the path of respect and friendship - otherwise this is going to go on forever.

[ApatheticAustrian]

-No; Russia can't accept blatant violations of the rules of the game in the former Soviet Republics (e.g., Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia and Abhazia, the coup in Ukraine). If it finds the Western nations are perfectly willing to support any and all violations of the rules of the game as long as Russia's territorial integrity is threatened by them, it will continue to counter such subversion with all necessary means.

this is NOT russia's territory - period.

which just underlines my point.

russia is russia is russia.

the other countries are NOT RUSSIA and russia can threaten those countries or try to convince them through friendship and respect...the putin way is the way of ruin.

as i said.....bush was an idiot regarding the rocket shield but the imperial attitude of russia and its global war for illiberalism and 18th century values must be opposed by all liberty-loving democrats.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Would you say the same to JFK in regards to Cuba and Vietnam? Russia has no imperial attitude. It simply has its own version of the Monroe Doctrine. Russia only goes against the rules of the game if the West encourages such rule-breaking to Russia's detriment.

i think the US has made big mistakes with its handling of cuba and vietnam, yes.

and ofc, there is no other imperial country left in the world, besides russia and iran. the US was thinking like that a few decades ago, but a lot has changed singe the 1950ies.

otherwise i can accept your point - it really is a monroe doctrin.

i just can't accept the talking points, that this is about russia's own security.....it's about russia's influence/"interests" of the current russian government........you lose power, if a state is free to make its own decisions and russia wants thise states to be dependent ..plain and simple.

normally, this would be just an academical debate....but since russia also tries to secure its influence through undermining the EU, i can't tolerate or respect this behaviour.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Russia isn't imperialistic as much as it is 4-chany.

this is correct.

russia is trolling the F out of everything.

it's milo as president of a global superpower.

[ApatheticAustrian]

fair is foul, foul is fair, war is peace, love is hate, and understanding this is only possible if you are insane, which is the catch 22.

[ApatheticAustrian]

i can easily say in public that i have underestimated putin's killing instincts and his imperial attitude before 2013 and thought hillary/obama's reset would have been a good idea.

you have seen how hillary and obama paid for trying to play nice with putin - and as an US citizen i would absolutely feel like apologizing to mitt.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Russia has no imperial attitude, it just has an attitude of opposition to the U.S.'s very real imperial attitude.

the biggest benefactor of foreign value-driven US interactions are always third nations, cause - as your hero trump pointed out so often - the USA aren't annexing "the oil".

the US is in decline, while russia's stealth imperial global empire is trying to undermine each and every one liberal democracy in this world.

i would love Mir but the price putin wishes for is too high...liberty mustn't die.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Move to Libya, rebel-held Syria or western Ukraine already. There, you can experience your liberty unfiltered.

western ukraine really deserves to be part of that list.....

.... and ofc ukraine and syria would be more peaceful now without russia's meddling.