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« on: February 22, 2017, 12:04:32 PM »

Great in-depth article

They have taken control of the state parties in Hawaii, Nebraska, Washington, and are favored to do the same in California. In Michigan they pulled the current chair to the left and in Iowa they compromised with a former Obama aide. They also have done the same in counties across the country. They are simply out organizing everyone else in the Democratic party.

Regardless of your views on Sanders, this is a positive:

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2017, 12:07:24 PM »

Good. Third way should be purged. Should also use passive resistance against Perez if he wins. Simply don't acknowledge him in any way/refuse to accept him as leader.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2017, 12:24:49 PM »

Good stuff. This is the kind of organization that was needed from the beginning.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2017, 12:29:41 PM »

So they've either compromised, or only taken over blue states, with the exception of Nebraska. California, Hawaii and Washington already have insanely progressive Democratic parties. Wake me up if the California Democrats try partisan redistricting, repealing Prop 13, repealing top-2 primaries, or does anything actually interesting.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2017, 12:39:51 PM »

Music to my ears !
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2017, 02:35:28 PM »

So they've either compromised, or only taken over blue states, with the exception of Nebraska. California, Hawaii and Washington already have insanely progressive Democratic parties. Wake me up if the California Democrats try partisan redistricting, repealing Prop 13, repealing top-2 primaries, or does anything actually interesting.
Prop 13 won't go away unless there's a major crisis and top two primaries basically ensure Democratic dominance at the statewide level.

Partisan redistricting is awful and hypocritical.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2017, 03:07:34 PM »

This is what we need.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2017, 03:09:42 PM »

So they've either compromised, or only taken over blue states, with the exception of Nebraska. California, Hawaii and Washington already have insanely progressive Democratic parties. Wake me up if the California Democrats try partisan redistricting, repealing Prop 13, repealing top-2 primaries, or does anything actually interesting.
Prop 13 won't go away unless there's a major crisis and top two primaries basically ensure Democratic dominance at the statewide level.

Partisan redistricting is awful and hypocritical.

So basically Sanders loyalists are no different than the status quo.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2017, 05:34:43 PM »
« Edited: February 22, 2017, 05:36:26 PM by RINO Tom »


He's already seeing himself as a Goldwater/William Jennings Bryan style figure.

No one KNEW the Democrats would continue to move left after WJB.  No one KNEW the GOP would move right after Goldwater.  Despite the oversimplifying we like to do when looking at political history, either one could have EASILY been flukes and told NOTHING of what was to come.  Same with Sanders.  Maybe his wing dies without him and Democrats become DLCish like some posters think they will ... maybe he IS a Goldwater-type figure ... I think the tentative evidence right now points to the latter, if you have to pick one option or the other.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2017, 06:55:58 PM »
« Edited: February 22, 2017, 06:58:01 PM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

California, Hawaii and Washington already have insanely progressive Democratic parties.

California's Democratic party is so progressive that every top Democrat in the state endorsed Hillary, and they let the oil companies get away without paying a dime in extraction fees, while Alaska makes them pay 25%. And they declined to endorse a progressive tax proposition that passed with 61% of the vote.

https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_39,_Income_Tax_Increase_for_Multistate_Businesses_(2012)
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2017, 06:57:57 PM »

California, Hawaii and Washington already have insanely progressive Democratic parties.

California's Democratic party is so progressive that every top Democrat in the state endorsed Hillary, and they let the oil companies get away without paying a dime in extraction fees, while Alaska makes them pay 25%. And they declined to endorse a progressive tax proposition that got 61% of the vote.

https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_39,_Income_Tax_Increase_for_Multistate_Businesses_(2012)

It's pretty clear they're out of step with the state.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2017, 08:26:20 PM »

The Democratic Party is going to take a big step to the left. About time, and it's only fair, given that the Republican Party has moved pretty far to the right recently.
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2017, 08:50:52 PM »

Good but it's much more important to run in primaries for actual government offices.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2017, 08:54:55 PM »

Good but it's much more important to run in primaries for actual government offices.

State chairs and county orgs have a very powerful role in clearing the field/recruiting primary candidates for downticket offices. Plus, give these folks time.
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2017, 08:56:37 PM »

The Democratic Party is going to take a big step to the left. About time, and it's only fair, given that the Republican Party has moved pretty far to the right recently.

Idk, I'm finding it hard you're going to see a national shift to the left within the party when you have so much resistance from the Clinton people who control it right now. The fact they aren't even willing to make a symbolic gesture to "Bernie-crats" by nominating Keith Ellison as DNC chair shows how much disdain they have for this brand-new coalition.
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2017, 08:59:53 PM »

The Democratic Party is going to take a big step to the left. About time, and it's only fair, given that the Republican Party has moved pretty far to the right recently.

Idk, I'm finding it hard you're going to see a national shift to the left within the party when you have so much resistance from the Clinton people who control it right now. The fact they aren't even willing to make a symbolic gesture to "Bernie-crats" by nominating Keith Ellison as DNC chair shows how much disdain they have for this brand-new coalition.

The Goldwater-Reaganites didn't overtake the Nixon-Ford coalition overnight either ya' know.
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2017, 11:13:09 PM »

Remember when Lief (or one of his less talented clones, I can't remember) attacked Bernie supporters by saying they only vote in Presidential elections and then disappear? Grin
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2017, 03:39:27 PM »


He's already seeing himself as a Goldwater/William Jennings Bryan style figure.

No one KNEW the Democrats would continue to move left after WJB.  No one KNEW the GOP would move right after Goldwater.  Despite the oversimplifying we like to do when looking at political history, either one could have EASILY been flukes and told NOTHING of what was to come.  Same with Sanders.  Maybe his wing dies without him and Democrats become DLCish like some posters think they will ... maybe he IS a Goldwater-type figure ... I think the tentative evidence right now points to the latter, if you have to pick one option or the other.

I wouldn't say it's tentative at this point. All post election analysis, polls, trends, signs, and decisions made by the Democratic leadership all point towards moving the Party leftwards; especially on economic issues.

And yet Perez will probably be the next head of the DNC rather than Ellison or Buttigieg
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