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heatcharger
Junior Chimp
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« on: February 23, 2017, 05:35:01 PM »

But Carpetbagger told us Trump would be the most liberal GOP president ever! /s

I'm sure the states in which recreational pot is legal will sue and will result in a huge time-wasting clusterf**k. Hopefully people who voted for Trump thinking he would maintain the status quo on social issues get their head in order.
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heatcharger
Junior Chimp
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E: -1.04, S: -0.24

« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2017, 09:46:51 PM »

If all Jill Stein voters voted for Hillary, she still would've lost.

Um... https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
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heatcharger
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,397
Sweden


Political Matrix
E: -1.04, S: -0.24

« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2017, 09:51:43 PM »


One other thing I forgot to add, but I'll add it now because it seems relevant . . . Hillary was not entitled to votes. Stop acting like she was entitled. She didn't earn those votes. It goes the same for Ralph Nader in 2000; he earned he votes for him and Gore didn't.

I didn't say anything about that. It's just literally not true that she would've lost if Stein voters had voted for Hillary.

And I'm sure the people who voted their conscience for Nader and Stein are very happy they stopped corporate neoliberals like Gore and Clinton to get Bush and Trump instead.
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heatcharger
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,397
Sweden


Political Matrix
E: -1.04, S: -0.24

« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2017, 10:00:55 PM »


One other thing I forgot to add, but I'll add it now because it seems relevant . . . Hillary was not entitled to votes. Stop acting like she was entitled. She didn't earn those votes. It goes the same for Ralph Nader in 2000; he earned he votes for him and Gore didn't.

I didn't say anything about that. It's just literally not true that she would've lost if Stein voters had voted for Hillary.

And I'm sure the people who voted their conscience for Nader and Stein are very happy they stopped corporate neoliberals like Gore and Clinton to get Bush and Trump instead.

You're missing the point. Gore and Hillary did not earn their votes. They didn't excite their base, which you need to do in America. Nader and Stein did earn those votes.

But that wasn't your point. Your point was not to blame Stein voters because it wouldn't have made a difference if they had voted for Clinton or not... when in the fact-based world we live in, it did.
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heatcharger
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,397
Sweden


Political Matrix
E: -1.04, S: -0.24

« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2017, 10:28:47 PM »

It's not even clear that Stein cost Hillary Michigan, and she didn't cost Hillary Wisconsin or Pennsylvania.

lol: https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
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heatcharger
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,397
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Political Matrix
E: -1.04, S: -0.24

« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2017, 11:06:30 PM »

Back in 2000, I voted for Nader, but even if all third parties had been purged from the ballot, it would have been Bush, not Gore who would have gotten my vote.  I definitely wasn't voting for Gore that year and Bush never managed to seal the deal with me so I voted third party as a protest against two lackluster choices.  The idea that all the voters for Stein and Nader are uberliberals who would have voted Democratic if there had been no Green Party is sheer nonsense.  Not only that, but the presence of third parties likely made it a closer election than it otherwise would have been.  Without Johnson and McMullin, Trump certainly would have gained New Hampshire and maybe Minnesota.  Trump might have even won the popular vote, and at least kept the margin in the popular vote down to the size of his inauguration crowd.

Sure, not all Nader voters would've voted for Gore and not all Stein voters would've voted for Clinton. And yes, you're right about Johnson and McMullin, but I was simply responding to the idea that Stein voters didn't "make the difference", when in fact, her vote totals in the three states that mattered were greater than the D-R margin.
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