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NOVA Green
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« on: February 26, 2017, 02:36:46 AM »

There were no McCain/Kerry/Dole voters. Prove me wrong!

What about someone in Massachusetts who usually votes Republican but wanted to support the nominee who was from his home state? There were four counties in Massachusetts that swung Republican in 2008.

This actually sounds a lot like from friend Wes, who grew up, went to college and worked in Massachusetts before moving out to Oregon in the mid 1990s.

He was not a big fan of the DLC wing of the Democratic Party and Bill Clinton's support for Free Trade agreements (NAFTA), as a socially Liberal individual George W. turned him off with the excessive pandering to the evangelicals. He liked Gore on the labor & environmental position regarding free trade, plus as a techie he liked some of Gore's ideas on the tech sector, although I think he voted Nader in 2000 (Will need to ask him).

He thought the Iraq war was a huge folly, plus Kerry was from Mass.....

He was a bit torn in '08, because although personally he liked Obama, he also has a lot of respect of McCain for his "Maverick" brand, military background and experience (My friends Uncle died in 'Nam), and general rejection of the extremist religious agenda of the cultural warrior style Republicans.

2012, he liked and respected Romney, because of his Gubernatorial record in Mass, as well Obama.... I was living in NorCal at the time, so can't state definitively that he voted Romney, but suspect that was likely the case.

In 2016, he almost definitely did not vote Clinton in the GE, and although he disliked and despised much of Trump's style and substance, did support the more economic protectionist Trump messages (Minus the whole anti-immigrant Latino thing, Muslim bans and all that crap).... He was a strong Bernie backer in the primaries..... My suspicion is that he likely wrote-in Bernie rather than voting for either Trump or Clinton.

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2017, 10:45:05 PM »

I voted Dukakis, Bush41, Dole, Bush 43 (who lost the popular vote). Then I stayed away from the voting booth the next 3 elections. Then I voted for McMullin.
I had more enjoyment the times I did not vote.

Awesome!

That's actually an extremely interesting and eclectic mix.

Why Dukakis in '88 since basically you went straight ticket Republican Pres '92-'00?

Then additionally not voting in '04/'08/'12 and jumping back in the ring to vote for the first time in twelve years for McMullin, is an interesting change after voting 16 years in a row at the Presidential level....

Not trying to get into your personal business, but wow!!!

Like when I lived in Texas, there's gotta be a story behind all that that is likely quite interesting, as part of the journey down the river over the decades on the small vessel called American Politics....
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2017, 11:10:25 PM »

Why?
I don't mind telling you some "personal" stuff.
I'm gay.
In 1986 the Supreme Court ruled, 5 to 4, that laws banning "sodomy were constitutionally permissible. For about the next three years I was on the gay community's bandwagon about wanting that decision - Bowers v. Hardwick - overturned. So I voted for Dukakis for only one reason - to make the Supreme Court a little bit more liberal. It was a mistake. I regretted it the next year and I've continued regretting it - my motive for the Dukakis vote, not the consequence - ever since.
In 1989, I realized my overall philosophy was more right-of-center than to the left, and it made more sense for me to be a Republican. In 1990 I began intensely studying constitutional law. Robert Bork's "The Tempting of America" was a very important early influence. Voting Republican for the next three elections was my way of trying to put more Borks on the Supreme Court. By that I mean "originalists" ... people dedicated to giving all clauses in the Constitution the meanings they were intended to have.
Then what happened in Dec. 2000? Bush v. Gore. That proved to me that the Republicans did not appoint better Supreme Court Justices than the Democrats.
And in 2003, Lawrence v. Texas overturned Bowers. I hate the Lawrence decision, and the Court's opinion, passionately. Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote both Bush and Lawrence. I loathe him so much I can't even begin to describe, ..... it's like flames on the side of my face, .....
There was just no point in voting any more. If the Supreme Court can hand down a secision that could prevent my vote from being counted, why bother? If the Supreme Court defines "liberty" whatever way they feel like, they could strike down laws I voted for (and which I am 100% positive are not truly unconstitutional), why bother to vote?
I voted for McMullin because he was the only one who said the right thing appoint what kind of people should be appointed to the Court.

Cool--- Thanks MarkD!

I remember well the Bowers-Hardwick ruling, although I was only 12 at the time listened to NPR throughout the day and watched the MacNeil-Lehrer Report M-F on PBS, as part of my homeschooling (Non-Evangelical) educational experience.

It was absolutely absurd even then for me, that State Governments should be allowed to dictate sexual behavior among consenting adults within a private sphere, regardless of sexual orientation.

Your voting history and based upon your perspective on constitutional law, from an historic Supreme Court decision in '86 that supported the state of Georgia, which was deliberately designed to target Gay Men, makes absolute sense . I confess that like many others, I get slightly lost with the most of jurisprudence, legal philosophies/theories and legal decisions at the Supreme Court level, aside from the "top line" decisions.

The odd thing about many of these types of threads is that it is rare to actually have individuals that talk about their own voting history, and the motivations behind their decisions.

Generally, it is more like "in theory this a XYZ voter living in a certain state/region from a certain socio-economic category and then maybe because they are part of a cultural minority (Religious/Sexual Preference, environmentalist....) that for whatever reason this explains the voting patterns.

We do have individuals, including myself, that will occasionally pull up close friends, family members, coworkers, etc that are essentially secondary sources.

This Forum is heavily dominated by a relatively younger set, so obviously this increases these types of responses to these types of threads....

Those of us 40+ years are heavily underrepresented on the Forum... since as kids born in the early 1970s, that came of voting age in the late '80s/ early '90s "We lived it man"

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2017, 02:17:55 AM »

I voted Bush, McCain, Johnson, Hillary.

Not quite what the OP was asking, but still.

Cobb or Gwinnett? Lol

Grew up in Gwinnett. But I moved out over ten years ago. I was so proud to see my former county vote against the Fuhrer last year.

Cool!

Sounds a bit like on my son-in-laws, older Millennial from Hall County Georgia....

His Father, who just recently passed away, was a Doctor and his mother a former Playboy Bunny from Louisiana who grew up dirt poor in New Awlins....

Not sure how and if he voted in 2000/2004, but pretty sure he voted for Obama in '08, Romney '12, and either Johnson or Clinton in '16.... Would have asked him directly earlier today at one of our Grandkids B-Day Party, but just pulled up this thread and it's a bit too late to call even on PST....
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