Your feelings on Perez as DNC Chair, Ellison as Deputy Chair?

[Xing]

I'm okay with Perez, not thrilled, but the reactions I've seen from many people are convincing me that it'll be at least 2022 before the Democrats have any success again. Republicans will settle for anyone with an (R) next to their name. Democrats will settle for no one who's any less than perfect. To quote Bill Maher, "Can't we find a balance?"

[Frodo]

Is it too much to ask neoliberal Democratic hacks to actually learn anything from their embarrassing defeat 3 months ago?

I'm not asking them to change their minds (it's not like Ellison was a socialist, after all) but just to stop thinking the party is their property.

But I ask you this- what do you want?
Do you just want people you consider allies to win, no matter what? That's not how democracy works. In a democracy, you need to get the most votes. If you want to win, you need to win. Win primaries, win conventions, win elections. In 2016, you didn't win. Because Hillary got more votes. As simple as that. In the Party Chair elections, you lost narrowly. Because Perez got more votes. What the hell is wrong with that? It's democracy.

A vast majority of Democrats outside of the Betlway bubble supported Ellison. If the vote was actually put up to the membership (as it is in any decent party) he would have won easily. But the Establishment doesn't give a sh*t about that because it holds the base in utter contempt. Spare me your lectures about democracy.

But that's the process in both parties for many years. You knew it's the process. So yeah, you lost in that process. You have a right to be sour, but threatening to burn everything is just immature and counter-productive.

Who cares? The "process" is illegitimate.

If so, then why be so emotionally invested in it?  

Because I want the Democratic party to actually start representing the needs and concerns of normal, working-class American, and not just consulting firms and hip, shallow suburbanites.

If you knew the process of electing the DNC chair to be 'illegitimate' (and therefore rigged and foreordained), then why expect a different result?  

Because I hoped that the Establishment that controls the process was at least willing to compromise with the base on this (relatively inconsequential) choice. The fact that they didn't signals that they don't give a sh*t what the base want, and will always throw their full might against it.

Antonio, is there anything about Tom Perez' record as Labor Secretary (or, for that matter, his entire public career) that you think leaves something to be desired?  If not, then I suggest you give him the benefit of the doubt before condemning him before he even begins his chairmanship.  

[jojoju1998]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=251989.0
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259090.0


These two articles by TD and Technocratic Timmy should give some of us hope.

[politics_king]

My first post on this board supported a Gabbard/Perez ticket and still do. Perez I met at my job once in real life, good dude, good conversationalist and very likeable. I came around and wanted Keith to win cause the political turmoil Trump created. This is the 2nd best outcome, I think Perez really wants to unite everyone. So this was a good outcome and some rising stars came out of this. I think the Democrats can be happy with this outcome though the DNC voting to keep corporate money and lobbying money involved was a big mistake.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Trump still in troll mode:

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Are you sure he just didn't mistype Republican instead of Democratic? Twitter-junky or not, he's still an old man with dementia who isn't very familiar with technology.

[afleitch]

It's only the DNC chair. Not the f-cking candidate for President.

[7,052,770]

It's only the DNC chair. Not the f-cking candidate for President.

Yep, and the chair is bound to support all Democratic nominees, no matter what.

If Berniecrats get off their ass and get Berniecrats nominated in all 435 House seats in 2018, then Perez will strongly support all 435 of them. If all 435 seats nominated Blue Dogs, the DNC chairman, even if it was Bernie himself, would support all 435 of them. If we nominate 435 conspiracist raving lunatics, the DNC chairman will undyingly support all 435 of them.

It's a hack-in-chief for the party and whoever the party nominates, in addition to being a glorified fundraiser.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It's only the DNC chair. Not the f-cking candidate for President.

Yep, and the chair is bound to support all Democratic nominees, no matter what.

If Berniecrats get off their ass and get Berniecrats nominated in all 435 House seats in 2018, then Perez will strongly support all 435 of them. If all 435 seats nominated Blue Dogs, the DNC chairman, even if it was Bernie himself, would support all 435 of them. If we nominate 435 conspiracist raving lunatics, the DNC chairman will undyingly support all 435 of them.

It's a hack-in-chief for the party and whoever the party nominates, in addition to being a glorified fundraiser.

Perez will rig things against progressives like the Obama/Clinton wing always does. He even told the Hillary campaign to use race baiting against the progressives.

[7,052,770]

It's only the DNC chair. Not the f-cking candidate for President.

Yep, and the chair is bound to support all Democratic nominees, no matter what.

If Berniecrats get off their ass and get Berniecrats nominated in all 435 House seats in 2018, then Perez will strongly support all 435 of them. If all 435 seats nominated Blue Dogs, the DNC chairman, even if it was Bernie himself, would support all 435 of them. If we nominate 435 conspiracist raving lunatics, the DNC chairman will undyingly support all 435 of them.

It's a hack-in-chief for the party and whoever the party nominates, in addition to being a glorified fundraiser.

Perez will rig things against progressives like the Obama/Clinton wing always does. He even told the Hillary campaign to use race baiting against the progressives.

LOL. And vaccines are bad, global warming is fake, and the government did 9/11.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It's only the DNC chair. Not the f-cking candidate for President.

Yep, and the chair is bound to support all Democratic nominees, no matter what.

If Berniecrats get off their ass and get Berniecrats nominated in all 435 House seats in 2018, then Perez will strongly support all 435 of them. If all 435 seats nominated Blue Dogs, the DNC chairman, even if it was Bernie himself, would support all 435 of them. If we nominate 435 conspiracist raving lunatics, the DNC chairman will undyingly support all 435 of them.

It's a hack-in-chief for the party and whoever the party nominates, in addition to being a glorified fundraiser.

Perez will rig things against progressives like the Obama/Clinton wing always does. He even told the Hillary campaign to use race baiting against the progressives.

LOL. And vaccines are bad, global warming is fake, and the government did 9/11.

Huh, that's documented.

[JGibson]

Perez as DNC Chair and Ellison as Deputy Chairman is an acceptable compromise I can live with.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It's only the DNC chair. Not the f-cking candidate for President.

Yep, and the chair is bound to support all Democratic nominees, no matter what.

If Berniecrats get off their ass and get Berniecrats nominated in all 435 House seats in 2018, then Perez will strongly support all 435 of them. If all 435 seats nominated Blue Dogs, the DNC chairman, even if it was Bernie himself, would support all 435 of them. If we nominate 435 conspiracist raving lunatics, the DNC chairman will undyingly support all 435 of them.

It's a hack-in-chief for the party and whoever the party nominates, in addition to being a glorified fundraiser.

Perez will rig things against progressives like the Obama/Clinton wing always does. He even told the Hillary campaign to use race baiting against the progressives.

LOL. And vaccines are bad, global warming is fake, and the government did 9/11.

DKIM verified e-mails don't lie.

[KingSweden]

Meh. Don't think there's that much difference between Perez and Ellison besides the optics/what the Bernie wing built this up to be, honestly. My personal choice was Buttigieg

The overreactions to Ellison losing are way ridiculous and frankly a bit infantile. You can tell Perez respects him and I imagine Ellison will have his ear

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Democrat - Burn'em all!

Come on, you're better than this, Antonio

[Oakvale]

ridiculous and frankly a bit infantile.

Are you new to left wing politics?

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

For s sake dude give it a rest.  Damn you are being a child right now.  Throwing a fit.

Projecting much?

Yes, but he's not wrong.

[Devout Centrist]

This position is meaningless unless you're incompetent.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

This position is meaningless unless you're incompetent.

Well, Perez did have to be thrown off the ballot when he tried running in a race he wasn't qualified for, so he should have that down pat.

[OneJ]

Instead of complaining about not getting anything handed to via a silver platter, why not celebrate the progress already made. I can assure everyone that the election of Perez cannot (and will not) affect the progress of Progressive wingers in any way.

Sanders Loyalists have already been taking over state parties gradually, but surely. Burning the party down only makes you weaker. We have much more important battles to fighting and some of you can just moan and not help the party in anyway. We have races like GA-06 and MT-AL to fight for and all you can do is throw a temper tantrum? No wonder why so many people can't take you seriously.

This was supposed to be another boring DNC race and people just added fire to the gasoline because "muh establishment is evil" and "muh symbolism." Too many aren't even satisfied with Ellison being Deputy Chair.

At least Republicans have more unity than this (and that should tell you something). I am ashamed.

[Trapsy]

Instead of complaining about not getting anything handed to via a silver platter, why not celebrate the progress already made. I can assure everyone that the election of Perez cannot (and will not) affect the progress of Progressive wingers in any way.

Sanders Loyalists have already been taking over state parties gradually, but surely. Burning the party down only makes you weaker. We have much more important battles to fighting and some of you can just moan and not help the party in anyway. We have races like GA-06 and MT-AL to fight for and all you can do is throw a temper tantrum? No wonder why so many people can't take you seriously.

This was supposed to be another boring DNC race and people just added fire to the gasoline because "muh establishment is evil" and "muh symbolism." Too many aren't even satisfied with Ellison being Deputy Chair.

At least Republicans have more unity than this (and that should tell you something). I am ashamed.

You really don't get it?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Independent - it's tolerable.

The tragedy of American politics right now is that the Democrats richly deserve to lose, and deserve it more by the day apparently, but the country doesn't deserve for the Republicans to win.

This sums up my thoughts well.

[SCNCmod]

Perez is better than Ellison... in that there are less attacks the republicans can hurl against Perez (republican were hoping it would be Ellison)...

But Buttigieg would have been the best.  Not only do I think he would have done a good job... there is very little the Republican's can really attack him for- and he has won over many republicans familiar with him in Indiana... sheerly based on what a good job he has done turning South Bend around.

[OneJ]

Instead of complaining about not getting anything handed to via a silver platter, why not celebrate the progress already made. I can assure everyone that the election of Perez cannot (and will not) affect the progress of Progressive wingers in any way.

Sanders Loyalists have already been taking over state parties gradually, but surely. Burning the party down only makes you weaker. We have much more important battles to fighting and some of you can just moan and not help the party in anyway. We have races like GA-06 and MT-AL to fight for and all you can do is throw a temper tantrum? No wonder why so many people can't take you seriously.

This was supposed to be another boring DNC race and people just added fire to the gasoline because "muh establishment is evil" and "muh symbolism." Too many aren't even satisfied with Ellison being Deputy Chair.

At least Republicans have more unity than this (and that should tell you something). I am ashamed.

You really don't get it?

I get it just fine.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Instead of complaining about not getting anything handed to via a silver platter, why not celebrate the progress already made. I can assure everyone that the election of Perez cannot (and will not) affect the progress of Progressive wingers in any way.

Sanders Loyalists have already been taking over state parties gradually, but surely. Burning the party down only makes you weaker. We have much more important battles to fighting and some of you can just moan and not help the party in anyway. We have races like GA-06 and MT-AL to fight for and all you can do is throw a temper tantrum? No wonder why so many people can't take you seriously.

This was supposed to be another boring DNC race and people just added fire to the gasoline because "muh establishment is evil" and "muh symbolism." Too many aren't even satisfied with Ellison being Deputy Chair.

At least Republicans have more unity than this (and that should tell you something). I am ashamed.

You really don't get it?

Im sorry but you guys don't get it the f**king DNC chair is not worth a revolt over let alone someone like Perez. People are being physically by Trump and we are sitting here arguing over petty bullsh*t. For christ sake the Bernie wing wants to change the DNC then f**king take over state parties and put your people in congress and later the presidential nominee

[Deblano]

Can't be any worse than DWS, that's for sure.