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Question: Your feelings on Perez as DNC Chair, Ellison as Deputy Chair?
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I'm a Democrat - great!
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I'm a Democrat - good, not 1st choice but seems a good guy
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I'm a Democrat - tolerable
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I'm a Democrat - dislike
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I'm a Democrat - PEREZ WILL MURDER US ALL
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I'm an Independent - great!
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I'm an Independent - good, not 1st choice but seems a good guy
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I'm an Independent - tolerable
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I'm an Independent - dislike
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I'm an Independent - PEREZ WILL MURDER US ALL
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I'm 3rd Party - great!
#12
I'm 3rd Party - good, not 1st choice but seems a good guy
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I'm 3rd Party - tolerable
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I'm 3rd Party - dislike
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I'm 3rd Party - PEREZ WILL MURDER US ALL
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I'm Not American - great!
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I'm Not American -  good, not 1st choice but seems a good guy
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I'm Not American - tolerable
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I'm Not American - dislike
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I'm Not American - PEREZ WILL MURDER US ALL
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I'm American but usually don't vote - great!
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I'm American but usually don't vote -  good, not 1st choice but seems a good guy
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I'm American but usually don't vote - tolerable
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I'm American but usually don't vote - dislike
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I'm American but usually don't vote - PEREZ WILL MURDER US ALL
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I'm Republican - great!
#27
I'm Republican -  good, not 1st choice but seems a good guy
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I'm Republican - tolerable
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I'm Republican - dislike
#30
I'm Republican - PEREZ WILL MURDER US ALL
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« Reply #100 on: February 26, 2017, 12:54:29 AM »

Can't y'all save the outrage for things that actually matter instead of seeing insults in which far-left candidate was chosen for DNC chair?

-LOLNo.

My feelings on Perez as DNC Chair is that Democrats will not win back either the House or the Senate in 2018.
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« Reply #101 on: February 26, 2017, 12:56:07 AM »

Can't y'all save the outrage for things that actually matter instead of seeing insults in which far-left candidate was chosen for DNC chair?

Factional struggle within the party matters. Full stop. And you only think it doesn't because you identify with the faction in power, and want to tamp down conflict.
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« Reply #102 on: February 26, 2017, 12:57:51 AM »


My feelings on Perez as DNC Chair is that Democrats will not win back either the House or the Senate in 2018.

would you have felt better about a socialist black muslim?

not at all meant as an insult, just asking a typical republican trump supporter.
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« Reply #103 on: February 26, 2017, 12:58:40 AM »

     My initial reaction was who care, but the kerfuffle in this topic makes me rethink that.
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« Reply #104 on: February 26, 2017, 01:07:37 AM »


My feelings on Perez as DNC Chair is that Democrats will not win back either the House or the Senate in 2018.

would you have felt better about a socialist black muslim?

not at all meant as an insult, just asking a typical republican trump supporter.

-It's not about my personal feeling, it's about my opinion of the chair selection's potential effect on the party's electoral outcomes. I personally would have not felt well about Ellison having supported the Libya intervention. Ellison at least understood that Trump could win, and he wouldn't have epically p*ssed off the left here as much as Perez did. So I think he might have been a slightly better Dem strategist. His only problem with Dems would be p*ssing off some Zionist Jews, but they're less than a twentieth of the party -not enough to matter in the electoral scheme of things.

I am by no means a typical Republican Trump voter. A typical Republican Trump voter did not support Ron Paul in both 2008 and 2012, supported Bush in 2004, and is religious.
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« Reply #105 on: February 26, 2017, 01:20:45 AM »

Can't y'all save the outrage for things that actually matter instead of seeing insults in which far-left candidate was chosen for DNC chair?

Factional struggle within the party matters. Full stop. And you only think it doesn't because you identify with the faction in power, and want to tamp down conflict.

Roll Eyes

You seem more interested in fighting democrats you don't like then fighting donald. Ellison was made vice-chair purely as a gesture towards your people. A minority faction within the party is not entitled to everything. You were the ones who tried to turn this random party position into a proxy war. Not us. The party is made up of many groups that aren't you that don't have enough of a voice. Some of these groups I identify with. Those of us who really care about issues of racial and gender inequality enough to identify with the feminist movement, Black Lives Matter, etc aren't whining about not getting the DNC chair go to our special candidate, (we'd be fine with Ellison) and we didn't get the slightest hint of any pandering. We got a hell of a lot less then you, and we're happily marching along. It would be cool to be the faction in control, but we aren't going to start acting like babies when the establishment assigns one of its own to a strategizing and fundraising position.
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« Reply #106 on: February 26, 2017, 01:23:25 AM »

Can't y'all save the outrage for things that actually matter instead of seeing insults in which far-left candidate was chosen for DNC chair?

Factional struggle within the party matters. Full stop. And you only think it doesn't because you identify with the faction in power, and want to tamp down conflict.

Roll Eyes

You seem more interested in fighting democrats you don't like then fighting donald. Ellison was made vice-chair purely as a gesture towards your people. A minority faction within the party is not entitled to everything. You were the ones who tried to turn this random party position into a proxy war. Not us. The party is made up of many groups that aren't you that don't have enough of a voice. Some of these groups I identify with. Those of us who really care about issues of racial and gender inequality enough to identify with the feminist movement, Black Lives Matter, etc aren't whining about not getting the DNC chair go to our special candidate, (we'd be fine with Ellison) and we didn't get the slightest hint of any pandering. We got a hell of a lot less then you, and we're happily marching along. It would be cool to be the faction in control, but we aren't going to start acting like babies when the establishment assigns one of its own to a strategizing and fundraising position.

Ellison had a majority of the Senator endorsements. Most of his support from politicians was from those who supported Hillary in the primary. Yes, he didn't get a majority of the DNC vote, but that's exactly the problem, the DNC is stacked with Clinton and Obama hacks. Ellison wasn't pandering to progressives, he was pandering to Hillary supporters. And he still lost.
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« Reply #107 on: February 26, 2017, 01:23:40 AM »

The tragedy of American politics right now is that the Democrats richly deserve to lose, and deserve it more by the day apparently, but the country doesn't deserve for the Republicans to win.
Bullsh*t, this nation deserves all its got and then some. Spare the 'the country doesn't deserve this'. There's a lot of entitled idiots in this nation.
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« Reply #108 on: February 26, 2017, 01:28:56 AM »

Can't y'all save the outrage for things that actually matter instead of seeing insults in which far-left candidate was chosen for DNC chair?

Factional struggle within the party matters. Full stop. And you only think it doesn't because you identify with the faction in power, and want to tamp down conflict.

Roll Eyes

You seem more interested in fighting democrats you don't like then fighting donald. Ellison was made vice-chair purely as a gesture towards your people. A minority faction within the party is not entitled to everything. You were the ones who tried to turn this random party position into a proxy war. Not us. The party is made up of many groups that aren't you that don't have enough of a voice. Some of these groups I identify with. Those of us who really care about issues of racial and gender inequality enough to identify with the feminist movement, Black Lives Matter, etc aren't whining about not getting the DNC chair go to our special candidate, (we'd be fine with Ellison) and we didn't get the slightest hint of any pandering. We got a hell of a lot less then you, and we're happily marching along. It would be cool to be the faction in control, but we aren't going to start acting like babies when the establishment assigns one of its own to a strategizing and fundraising position.

why do you assume that the Prog wing is distinct from BLM and feminism?
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« Reply #109 on: February 26, 2017, 01:35:32 AM »

Rich to claim that the Bernie people are the ones who made this a proxy war when it initially looked like Ellison was a consensus choice before Obama rustled up someone to run against him for muh ceremonial post of no real consequence.
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« Reply #110 on: February 26, 2017, 01:36:12 AM »

Can't y'all save the outrage for things that actually matter instead of seeing insults in which far-left candidate was chosen for DNC chair?

Factional struggle within the party matters. Full stop. And you only think it doesn't because you identify with the faction in power, and want to tamp down conflict.

Roll Eyes

You seem more interested in fighting democrats you don't like then fighting donald. Ellison was made vice-chair purely as a gesture towards your people. A minority faction within the party is not entitled to everything. You were the ones who tried to turn this random party position into a proxy war. Not us. The party is made up of many groups that aren't you that don't have enough of a voice. Some of these groups I identify with. Those of us who really care about issues of racial and gender inequality enough to identify with the feminist movement, Black Lives Matter, etc aren't whining about not getting the DNC chair go to our special candidate, (we'd be fine with Ellison) and we didn't get the slightest hint of any pandering. We got a hell of a lot less then you, and we're happily marching along. It would be cool to be the faction in control, but we aren't going to start acting like babies when the establishment assigns one of its own to a strategizing and fundraising position.

why do you assume that the Prog wing is distinct from BLM and feminism?

Probably because white male David Brock successfully projected his racism and sexism onto Bernie supporters.
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« Reply #111 on: February 26, 2017, 01:56:08 AM »

Rich to claim that the Bernie people are the ones who made this a proxy war when it initially looked like Ellison was a consensus choice before Obama rustled up someone to run against him for muh ceremonial post of no real consequence.

This.

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« Reply #112 on: February 26, 2017, 02:23:46 AM »

The tragedy of American politics right now is that the Democrats richly deserve to lose, and deserve it more by the day apparently, but the country doesn't deserve for the Republicans to win.
Bullsh*t, this nation deserves all its got and then some. Spare the 'the country doesn't deserve this'. There's a lot of entitled idiots in this nation.

     Change it to the Republicans don't deserve to win and it's right on point. The bums that run this country suck, and more than ever I have little confidence that either party can work out what to do.
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« Reply #113 on: February 26, 2017, 03:05:34 AM »

Rich to claim that the Bernie people are the ones who made this a proxy war when it initially looked like Ellison was a consensus choice before Obama rustled up someone to run against him for muh ceremonial post of no real consequence.

This.



Seconded. If there is no real consequence to the position and Ellison and Perez are so similar, then why did Obama make him take the plunge when Ellison seemed poised for a relatively simple victory?

Answer: Obama doesn't want to see his power disappear. Like it or not, many progressives are disappointed in Obama, particularly in regards to Obamacare (which was originally designed as the Republican counter to single-payer) and whistleblowers.
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« Reply #114 on: February 26, 2017, 03:33:28 AM »

Aaand they just struck down a ban on corporate lobbyists. Where was the DNC saviour Perez? Ellison was one of its storngest supporters. Were was The Great Saviour Perez?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/dnc-pac-contributions-ban_us_58b1ac9ee4b0a8a9b782bb00
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« Reply #115 on: February 26, 2017, 03:34:14 AM »

Aaand they just struck down a ban on corporate lobbyists. Where was the DNC saviour Perez? Ellison was one of its storngest supporters. Were was The Great Saviour Perez?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/dnc-pac-contributions-ban_us_58b1ac9ee4b0a8a9b782bb00

Bu-but omegascarlet said Ellison and Perez were both far-left!
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« Reply #116 on: February 26, 2017, 03:35:34 AM »

Aaand they just struck down a ban on corporate lobbyists. Where was the DNC saviour Perez? Ellison was one of its storngest supporters. Were was The Great Saviour Perez?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/dnc-pac-contributions-ban_us_58b1ac9ee4b0a8a9b782bb00

Bu-but omegascarlet said Ellison and Perez were both far-left!

Perez is obviously a far left TPP supporter who takes lots of money from corporations and tells the Hillary campaign how to demonize progressives.
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« Reply #117 on: February 26, 2017, 03:40:47 AM »

Aaand they just struck down a ban on corporate lobbyists. Where was the DNC saviour Perez? Ellison was one of its storngest supporters. Were was The Great Saviour Perez?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/dnc-pac-contributions-ban_us_58b1ac9ee4b0a8a9b782bb00

Bu-but omegascarlet said Ellison and Perez were both far-left!

To be absolutely clear, Perez was not a big cheerleader for the ban. I'll give him credit here; mostly he seems lukewarm on lobbyists, at least a lot less cozy with them than some, but he even neglected to say that.

Certainly doesn't help the optics of the situation, particularly when the favourite among the Sanders wing was the ban's biggest supporter.
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« Reply #118 on: February 26, 2017, 06:11:06 AM »

Hope they work together and make the Democratic Party great again. Especially in the states. Democrats can't afford being only a coastal party.
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« Reply #119 on: February 26, 2017, 06:26:30 AM »

Just further proof that the Democratic Party is inherently racist.
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« Reply #120 on: February 26, 2017, 09:06:18 AM »

Rich to claim that the Bernie people are the ones who made this a proxy war when it initially looked like Ellison was a consensus choice before Obama rustled up someone to run against him for muh ceremonial post of no real consequence.

Ellison was no more the consensus candidate than Hillary was... Both just were the 1st to announce and get a fair amount of endorsements.  Many people (including myself) thought there was a better choice & were waiting to see who else emerged. 

(That said- I thought Buttigieg was the best choice ... Perez & Ellison are about the same for me- in that I don't think they were the best choice, But either would be acceptable.  DNC Chair is not worth getting bent out of shape about)
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« Reply #121 on: February 26, 2017, 10:46:50 AM »

lol, surprisingly, jfern and the rest of the unhinged true leftists in this thread sounds just like Trump: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/835814988686233601
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« Reply #122 on: February 26, 2017, 11:12:12 AM »

Deputy Chair is an absolute meaningless position & this is a symbolic gesture. The DNC Vice Chairs had no role in debate schedule or fund management & didn't even know the budget. Tulsi Gabbard was barred from even attending a Dem primary debate.

I don't see this ceremonial Deputy thing mattering.

Perez wins & Obama-Hillary once again finds a waya to slight Bernie & his people. They could have given  Ellison who would have been good & a life long Dem this position!

And this idea about Peter B. being better than Ellison is a joke. It only comes from people who are desperate to oppose the Bernie wing & know that Perez is bad, so equate him to Ellison & say Peter B. is better. Peter B. is never gonna be President !
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« Reply #123 on: February 26, 2017, 11:31:57 AM »

lol, surprisingly, jfern and the rest of the unhinged true leftists in this thread sounds just like Trump: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/835814988686233601

only 1 major difference.

one side thinks, this is the truth - the other one wants them to think it.
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« Reply #124 on: February 26, 2017, 12:05:40 PM »
« Edited: February 26, 2017, 12:08:12 PM by Alpha »

This quote from Matt Bruenig sums it up:



It's a club, and you're not invited in it. The Democratic Party cannot, will not, and most importantly does not know how to save you.
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