Your feelings on Perez as DNC Chair, Ellison as Deputy Chair?

[ApatheticAustrian]

My feelings on Perez as DNC Chair is that Democrats will not win back either the House or the Senate in 2018.

would you have felt better about a socialist black muslim?

not at all meant as an insult, just asking a typical republican trump supporter.

[ApatheticAustrian]

lol, surprisingly, jfern and the rest of the unhinged true leftists in this thread sounds just like Trump: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/835814988686233601

only 1 major difference.

one side thinks, this is the truth - the other one wants them to think it.

[ApatheticAustrian]

i don't see the problem.

either an election is an election - even if it's an interal one - or a coronation.

if you have wished for a coronation, i understand the outrage, otherwise this is business as usual and republicans think of perez as some kind of stalinist.

[ApatheticAustrian]

we "are" at war, there is a debate about counter-attacking.

[ApatheticAustrian]

bernie is in it to win it, others prefer to make it about themselves.

[ApatheticAustrian]

bernie is in it to win it, others prefer to make it about themselves.

The latter's truer of the establishment than any Berniecrat I've seen.

They see Ellison getting support from establishment and left-wing figures, push Tom Perez into the race, and after Ellison is displaced they demand unity.

there is going to be "unity" anyway.

unity doesn't mean saying yes to everything and shut up - it means knowing, that whatever are your grievances with other factions inside your party or movement, they are dwarfed by the challenge to your goals, your ideas, your worldviews and your ideals that is the trump administration.

[ApatheticAustrian]

How many people in real life (outside Atlas and the internet) give a sh**t about the DNC election results?

radical ideologues and people who are paid to give a shoot.

[ApatheticAustrian]

obama didn't "alienate" he just never did care much for down-ballot stuff.

[ApatheticAustrian]

if you are able to win seats on a local level now occupied by republicans, you are able to build.

if you are trying to wrestle the most liberal seats from more centrist democrats....you aren't going to win, imho.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Wasn't a problem when the Tea Party did things this way.

it WAS a problem.

they bungled dozen of seats, especially in the senate, destroyed their own ideology and became core-less enough to be taken over by a trickster.

the raging populism is a way to move a few important votes in the midwest....but it risks the emerging democratic majority in the atlantic region/west-south.

don't get me wrong, i am fully commited to warren's wing of the party, i just am allergic to the max to intra-party-fighting.

[ApatheticAustrian]

sherrod brown is lefty in a "traditional" way, which is also quite competetive in trump country.

bernie is a combination of traditional economic leftiness and modern progressive leftiness.

much harder sell in some places.