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« on: February 28, 2017, 04:34:36 PM »

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-blames-obama-yemen-raid-navy-seal-2017-2

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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2017, 04:57:23 PM »

Wow what a coward. He needs to MTFU. He's president of the United States. He needs to take responsibility.
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2017, 04:59:00 PM »

Wow what a coward. He needs to MTFU. He's president of the United States. He needs to take responsibility.

You'll be waiting for awhile on that front.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2017, 05:00:54 PM »


Trump is re-writing the rule book, so anything goes, even if it's on the low end of the behavior scale.
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2017, 06:16:38 PM »

Donald likes soldiers that aren't killed.
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2017, 06:21:42 PM »

Remember, if soldiers are captured or killed they're not heroes, only the ones that live through matter. I have a feeling the military will turn against him by the end of his presidency too.
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2017, 06:42:30 PM »

Don't be such crybabies.

He's right in a sense this wasn't his raid, it was planned during Obama admin, only thing he did was to give a final go order.

Also it's funny how Trump is blamed in MSM for this soldier's death but he isn't blamed for civilians that got killed, women and children.
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2017, 07:11:02 PM »

Did he plan the operation to its last detail? It's not his job. He tells the generals what to do and they do it. Had the Abbottabad raid failed, I'd have blamed Obama for invading Pakistan's sovereignty but not for the operational failure itself. The whole military-industrial complex needs to be reigned in and the generals (who as the Petraeus/Jill Kelly episode proves are part of a rather distant social elite themselves) are not exempt from this.

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2017, 07:50:39 PM »

this wouldn't sound so pathetic, if if wouldn't have been the third deflection strategy ....after "critique is dishonoring our troops" and "this was super-successful".
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2017, 08:00:58 PM »

Don't be such crybabies.

He's right in a sense this wasn't his raid, it was planned during Obama admin, only thing he did was to give a final go order.

Also it's funny how Trump is blamed in MSM for this soldier's death but he isn't blamed for civilians that got killed, women and children.


Obama rejected it because their wasn't enough intelligence. Mattis convinced Trump to sign off on the raid by telling him "obama wouldn't do it"

Trump is an idiot easily coaxed into anything

I hear Obama wouldn't play Russian Roulette with Biden. (Probably because it's RUSSIAN.)
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2017, 10:48:33 PM »

Don't be such crybabies.

He's right in a sense this wasn't his raid, it was planned during Obama admin, only thing he did was to give a final go order.

Also it's funny how Trump is blamed in MSM for this soldier's death but he isn't blamed for civilians that got killed, women and children.

Obama rejected it because their wasn't enough intelligence. Mattis convinced Trump to sign off on the raid by telling him "obama wouldn't do it"

Trump is an idiot easily coaxed into anything

Correct answer.

Sanchez, just once get off of riding Trump's jock.
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2017, 10:49:46 PM »

once again:

TRUMP WOULDN'T GET SO MUCH FLAK IF THE WH WOULDN'T HAVE TRIED FOR WEEKS NOW TO DEFLECT THIS THING.

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2017, 11:13:50 PM »

Don't be such crybabies.

He's right in a sense this wasn't his raid, it was planned during Obama admin, only thing he did was to give a final go order.

Also it's funny how Trump is blamed in MSM for this soldier's death but he isn't blamed for civilians that got killed, women and children.

Obama rejected it because their wasn't enough intelligence. Mattis convinced Trump to sign off on the raid by telling him "obama wouldn't do it"

Trump is an idiot easily coaxed into anything

Correct answer.

Sanchez, just once get off of riding Trump's jock.
Precisely. Mettis ordered it. I don't know what he's doing in there. He was #NeverTrump until he suddenly was in the cabinet. There's an answer right there.
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2017, 11:49:20 PM »

Don't be such crybabies.

He's right in a sense this wasn't his raid, it was planned during Obama admin, only thing he did was to give a final go order.

Also it's funny how Trump is blamed in MSM for this soldier's death but he isn't blamed for civilians that got killed, women and children.

Obama rejected it because their wasn't enough intelligence. Mattis convinced Trump to sign off on the raid by telling him "obama wouldn't do it"

Trump is an idiot easily coaxed into anything

Correct answer.

Sanchez, just once get off of riding Trump's jock.
Precisely. Mettis ordered it. I don't know what he's doing in there. He was #NeverTrump until he suddenly was in the cabinet. There's an answer right there.
No, Trump gave the final go ahead.
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2017, 11:51:07 PM »

Don't be such crybabies.

He's right in a sense this wasn't his raid, it was planned during Obama admin, only thing he did was to give a final go order.

Also it's funny how Trump is blamed in MSM for this soldier's death but he isn't blamed for civilians that got killed, women and children.

Obama rejected it because their wasn't enough intelligence. Mattis convinced Trump to sign off on the raid by telling him "obama wouldn't do it"

Trump is an idiot easily coaxed into anything

Correct answer.

Sanchez, just once get off of riding Trump's jock.
Precisely. Mettis ordered it. I don't know what he's doing in there. He was #NeverTrump until he suddenly was in the cabinet. There's an answer right there.
No, Trump gave the final go ahead.

sanchez assumes, trump is wobbly enough to be influenced by anyone with enough charisma, so ofc mattis ordered it.
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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2017, 11:56:33 PM »
« Edited: March 01, 2017, 03:53:21 PM by Senator PiT »

     I don't really expect the President to be sufficiently familiar with military tactics to appraise these operational decisions. He kind of has to rely on his people to give him good advice. If they don't do that then there's a problem.
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2017, 11:58:03 PM »

Slogan of Trumpists- The buck stops literally anywhere else
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2017, 11:59:01 PM »

     I don't really expect the President to be sufficiently familiar with military tactics to sufficiently appraise these operational decisions. He kind of has to rely on his people to give him good advice. If they don't do that then there's a problem.

you are absolutely correct, but it would be fair game to assume, trump is less interested in details than obama...AND has bragged far more about his own militaric genius.
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2017, 12:00:53 AM »

Not to mention, blaming Mattis for these still reflects poorly on Trump as he was appointed by him. If the Trump cultists are going to blame him for this, the question then is why did Trump appoint such an incompetent defence secretary?
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2017, 08:18:05 AM »

Don't be such crybabies.

He's right in a sense this wasn't his raid, it was planned during Obama admin, only thing he did was to give a final go order.

Also it's funny how Trump is blamed in MSM for this soldier's death but he isn't blamed for civilians that got killed, women and children.

Obama rejected it because their wasn't enough intelligence. Mattis convinced Trump to sign off on the raid by telling him "obama wouldn't do it"


Not true really. Why do you lie?
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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2017, 12:59:43 PM »

     I don't really expect the President to be sufficiently familiar with military tactics to sufficiently appraise these operational decisions. He kind of has to rely on his people to give him good advice. If they don't do that then there's a problem.

you are absolutely correct, but it would be fair game to assume, trump is less interested in details than obama...AND has bragged far more about his own militaric genius.
You're right about this. Trump needs to get tough on the generals, instead of trying to rhetorically outdo them.
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2017, 05:07:35 PM »

There must have been a good reason for President Obama to not do that raid. He probably first asked the experts who knew far better than he did whether it would work as planned.

You know the experts -- the CIA and the Armed Forces, the fellows who delivered a dead Osama bin Laden to Davey Jones' locker...
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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2017, 06:19:01 PM »

There must have been a good reason for President Obama to not do that raid. He probably first asked the experts who knew far better than he did whether it would work as planned.

You know the experts -- the CIA and the Armed Forces, the fellows who delivered a dead Osama bin Laden to Davey Jones' locker...

But wait, isn't Trump the same guy who said, "There's nobody bigger or better at the military than I am." And, "I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand, believe me. Believe me. Than they will ever understand. Than they will ever understand."

Why did Trump deny the military his brilliant insights and great knowledge when it came to this raid?
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2017, 06:36:01 PM »

The hallmark of good leadership, especially in the military, is someone who deflects all praise and absorbs all criticism. I expect Trump to do a lot of the opposite.
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2017, 06:51:49 PM »

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