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« on: March 03, 2017, 10:52:10 AM »

I think states should have the right to do so, just like I think they should have the right to base their State Senates on counties as well.

The question was whether they should, not whether they have the right to.

I think it would work well in other extremely polarized countries. Ukraine comes to mind

How would this improve Ukrainian politics?
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 05:22:29 PM »

An electoral college would help in the Philippines too. Duterte would've never been President today if something like an EC was set up there.

Or just IRV....
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2017, 08:39:06 PM »

The 50 state governments and France (the two places mentioned by OP) are both examples of unitary governments, whereas an electoral college makes sense in a federal system.

In fact, very few democratic countries elect their chief executives directly.  The UK, Germany, Sweden, Japan, India all use parliamentary systems which, I would argue, is far more of an affront to democracy than the electoral college.
Care to explain why you think that?

Voters do not directly vote for their chief executive.  They vote for an MP who then votes for a Prime Minister in parliament.  The electoral college is a more direct election process, and it at least allows voters to illustrate a preference for a split legislative/executive branch.

What is someone to do if they love their local MP but hate that party's leader/candidate for PM?  or vice-versa? 

Same thing you do if you love Gregg Harper (or whoever, I don't know where in MS you are) but hate Paul Ryan?

Also your critique applies to the UK and India. It doesn't really apply to Germany, Sweden, or Japam.
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2017, 04:19:39 PM »

The 50 state governments and France (the two places mentioned by OP) are both examples of unitary governments, whereas an electoral college makes sense in a federal system.

In fact, very few democratic countries elect their chief executives directly.  The UK, Germany, Sweden, Japan, India all use parliamentary systems which, I would argue, is far more of an affront to democracy than the electoral college.
Care to explain why you think that?

Voters do not directly vote for their chief executive.  They vote for an MP who then votes for a Prime Minister in parliament.  The electoral college is a more direct election process, and it at least allows voters to illustrate a preference for a split legislative/executive branch.

What is someone to do if they love their local MP but hate that party's leader/candidate for PM?  or vice-versa? 

Same thing you do if you love Gregg Harper (or whoever, I don't know where in MS you are) but hate Paul Ryan?

Also your critique applies to the UK and India. It doesn't really apply to Germany, Sweden, or Japam.
The issue is that Paul Ryan isn't the nation's chief executive. The Prime Minister in the Westminster parliamentary system is the chief executive of the nation and isn't elected by the body populace.

But that's only a problem in Westminster systems, not in proportional systems.
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2017, 10:48:02 PM »

And for the record I think the Westminster system is just as flawed as the US system if not moreso, even though I like the aesthetic of it.
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