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ApatheticAustrian
ApathicAustrian
Junior Chimp
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« on: March 07, 2017, 09:39:54 PM »

a system without up to 40% of "lost" votes and without creating majorities out of numeric minorities can never be less democratic.
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ApatheticAustrian
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2017, 02:22:30 PM »

What is someone to do if they love their local MP but hate that party's leader/candidate for PM?  or vice-versa? 

the option of vote-splitting is possible in some countries...you can vote for your "direct" candidate and for another party nationally.
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ApatheticAustrian
ApathicAustrian
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2017, 09:12:27 PM »

The winner of our elections usually wins the PV. Parliamentary systems select the chief executive in a way that is very similar to the Electoral College.

not at all.

1) johnson and stein didn't get any seats out of their millions of votes.

2) those non-seats also couldn't be transferred in the first place.

3) hillary won the a clear majority of those votes and wouldn't regularily need the non-existing other votes int he first place.

4) most of all, we are not killing anyone's vote just cause they are living in a federal state run by the opposite majority/living inside a city instead of a rural region.

over here, there is representation, the EC is a system which gives power only to the small minority living in tipping point states.

hillary would have won in a majority-vote system without the EC and in a represenative, parliamentary democracy - no contest.
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ApatheticAustrian
ApathicAustrian
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2017, 09:44:46 PM »

If the US was divided into UK style constituencies with FPTP, it's not at all clear that Hillary would have won in parliament. She would still have too many votes overconcentrated in urban seats.

depends on gerrymandering and the construction of the system, but i think you are up to something there.

anyway, ofc i respect the EC since the US could have changed it anytime and came close to it a few decades ago...it's just frustrating if some people are calling it more..."democratic".
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ApatheticAustrian
ApathicAustrian
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2017, 09:38:58 AM »

To be fair, the UK system is an EC of sorts, just with a lot more districts, but it's still winner-take-all

the number of districts makes it MUUUUCH unlikelier that it could even be thinkabke that the candidate who gets more votes could lose an election, which is kind of stabbing democracy in the back.
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