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Former President tack50
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« on: May 05, 2017, 11:29:15 AM »

I personally feel it can work in some circumstances.

1: If the EU were to ever federalize and if it elected a president via popular vote, an Electoral College would work fine. The Electoral College was a good idea for the US in the late 18th-early 19th century, and the EU is basically on that stage more or less (or even earlier). Of course there should be some kind of time limit in order not to find the EU in say, 2267 having the same problems as the US in 2017.

That's about it though. In federal states where the differences between states are very large it is also a good idea, but not as much.

Also some minor modifications would improve it like making it a 2 round runoff like France (by number of EVs) and resolving ties by who has the largest popular vote.

For all what's worth I ran all elections in Spain using an Electoral college at the autonomous community level (although not doing any reapportionments, which definitely screwed the results as some places had many more EVs than they would have even under the US system) and I'm pretty sure the country would have imploded twice.

First in 1979. The Socialist Party loses the popular vote by 4.4 points but wins the Electoral College. In a country where democracy had only been a thing for 2 years at that time (and the constitution less than 6 months old) that's not a good start at all. In our timeline there was a coup in 1981 against a centrist government by far right generals. Maybe that coup is successful against a left wing government that lost the election.

Then in 2004-2008. After the largest terrorist attack by far in Spanish history, 3 days after that the election happens, and the incumbent PP wins the election even as it loses the popular vote by almost 5 points. 4 years after that the Socialists do finally win, but it's a extremely close election like 2000 was for the US, being decided by 800 votes in the Balearic Islands. Combine that with the great recession, which hit Spain hard and there would be a lot more infighting in here.
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Former President tack50
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2017, 11:31:02 AM »

The winner of our elections usually wins the PV. Parliamentary systems select the chief executive in a way that is very similar to the Electoral College.

not at all.

1) johnson and stein didn't get any seats out of their millions of votes.

2) those non-seats also couldn't be transferred in the first place.

3) hillary won the a clear majority of those votes and wouldn't regularily need the non-existing other votes int he first place.

4) most of all, we are not killing anyone's vote just cause they are living in a federal state run by the opposite majority/living inside a city instead of a rural region.

over here, there is representation, the EC is a system which gives power only to the small minority living in tipping point states.

hillary would have won in a majority-vote system without the EC and in a represenative, parliamentary democracy - no contest.

If the US was divided into UK style constituencies with FPTP, it's not at all clear that Hillary would have won in parliament. She would still have too many votes overconcentrated in urban seats.

Yeah. Using the UK system for the US is equivalent to having the House elect the president. (so, Trump still gets elected, or to be fair, it'd be more like "Prime Minister Paul Ryan")
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