Something-gate: Trump claims Obama bugged Trump Tower.

[publicunofficial]

This is a man who has believed every conspiracy theory about Obama that he has ever heard.

[publicunofficial]

If the above was a post on an comments section or political forum, it would be dismissed as the ramblings of an unhinged crazy person. But it's our fat, dumb, senile, asshole President instead.

[Hermit For Peace]

I guess Trump had a slow night.

[HAnnA MArin County]

Surprised the Fuhrer didn't end his tweet with #ThanksObama.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

This is a man who has believed every conspiracy theory about Obama that he has ever heard.

It's funny that this thread has more personal attacks on the messenger because the other side is still trying to form a consensus: is Trump a lying idiot who is simply making this up? Or is it true and should be defended as a good thing?

Either way, he has a consistent track record of being proven right in phony scandal after scandal, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Unless I see a concrete evidence of Obama's White House illegal actions, I'll consider it just a claim.

[publicunofficial]

This is a man who has believed every conspiracy theory about Obama that he has ever heard.

It's funny that this thread has more personal attacks on the messenger because the other side is still trying to form a consensus: is Trump a lying idiot who is simply making this up? Or is it true and should be defended as a good thing?

Either way, he has a consistent track record of being proven right in phony scandal after scandal, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

The man launched his political career by being wrong about an Obama conspiracy theory.

[Enduro]

I thought libertarians were the ones who had a conspiracy theorist problem.

[ApatheticAustrian]

is there really no way to sideline an unfit president?

outbreaks like that should automatically make pence prez.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Phony Trump Scandals

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=260038.0
REALITY: Trashy New Jersey guy responds to vandalism by trashy Puerto Rican guy by painting a trashy swastika over a trashy mural in front of a trashy building in a trashy state. Somehow it’s Trumps fault!

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259739.0
REALITY: Assumed Neo-Nazi Trump supporter turns out to be a black anti-Trump leftist journalist with a psychotic obsession with an ex-girlfriend.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259993.0
REALITY: Mob of angry Trump supporters turns out to be only a handful of kids trying to spook the other team with some really inappropriate, borderline racist chants of “Trump.” The chants were of course made as it turns out by students with motivations entirely irrelevant to the broader political discourse.  

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259793.0
REALITY: LOL. His meal was burnt. That apparently is enough for Atlas Red Avatars to sneer and jeer.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259964.0
REALITY: The Yemen raid (which, by the way, we had no business ordering) was tarnished as a failure by the generals, and their rumormongering went wild in the media. When Trump recognized Mrs. Owens during his speech and her husband’s sacrifice, he was accused of politicizing what the media (and I myself, since there was literally not one venue providing actual information) believed to be a failed raid. Well, as it turns out, the raid wasn’t a failure, however costly it might have been and how much I oppose American boots on the ground in Yemen in any and all circumstances.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259781.0
REALITY: This thread was really stupid. I mean, where have you guys been in the last sixteen years? Have you all forgotten that we are to some degree or another at war in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Syria, and Yemen without a congressional declaration?

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259584.0
REALITY: “Pro-Russian” CPAC demonstrator revealed to be Democratic operative.

Remember the Swedish problems and the rioting the next day? Or how Hillary Clinton was once and for all cleared and that email gate was behind her? By the way, if the Justice Department has the FBI bugging Trump’s phone, does that mean that Comey is cool again or what?

This is a man who has believed every conspiracy theory about Obama that he has ever heard.

It's funny that this thread has more personal attacks on the messenger because the other side is still trying to form a consensus: is Trump a lying idiot who is simply making this up? Or is it true and should be defended as a good thing?

Either way, he has a consistent track record of being proven right in phony scandal after scandal, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

The man launched his political career by being wrong about an Obama conspiracy theory.

Trump launched his career with obnoxious media stunts. I'm not going to pretend to condone that stuff. Does that mean I should have voted for career criminal and literally evil person Hillary Clinton instead?

[Reaganfan]

One thing we have to be careful of is automatically assuming that one side is fact and the other is speculation. As far as I'm concerned, both sides are opinions not facts.

Liberals often set up their arguments as facts when, in actuality, they are opinions.

[Maxwell]

One thing we have to be careful of is automatically assuming that one side is fact and the other is speculation. As far as I'm concerned, both sides are opinions not facts.

Liberals often set up their arguments as facts when, in actuality, they are opinions.

[Hindsight was 2020]

One thing we have to be careful of is automatically assuming that one side is fact and the other is speculation. As far as I'm concerned, both sides are opinions not facts.

Liberals often set up their arguments as facts when, in actuality, they are opinions.

So Jared meeting the ambassador is an opinion? Trump going out of his way to praise Putin an opinion? Trump not releasing his tax returns an opinion? Rex Tillerson, Wilbur Ross, Paul Manafort all having ties to Putin are a opinion?

[Comrade Funk]

I thought libertarians were the ones who had a conspiracy theorist problem.

Where do you think the rabid Paulites went to?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

is there really no way to sideline an unfit president?

outbreaks like that should automatically make pence prez.

If he can rally the cabinet, Pence can sideline Trump for incompetence. But Trump can fight back. My guess is that Pence is waiting for two things:

One, get all the really objectionable and unpopular stuff done under Trump's name and signature. Then he and the GOP can try to dodge blame that way.

Two, wait until Trump has walked all the way out to the end of the crazy plank. That way when Pence does drop the hammer, he'll have lots of support and Trump will be left with no sympathy. It doesn't matter how much he should do it, Pence won't wield the first dagger. But he will be holding the last one.

[SteveRogers]

Trump launched his career with obnoxious media stunts. I'm not going to pretend to condone that stuff. 

And yet you refuse to acknowledge that this morning's twitter rant was precisely that. Hmmm...

[Blue3]

People in this thread are actually taking Trump's claims seriously?? ?? ??

[Hermit For Peace]

Do the Trumpsters care that Trump never has proof to back up all his wild claims?

[ApatheticAustrian]

even if the intelligence community did look into the trump campaign...that wouldn't be what trump is suggesting.

[publicunofficial]

This is a man who has believed every conspiracy theory about Obama that he has ever heard.

It's funny that this thread has more personal attacks on the messenger because the other side is still trying to form a consensus: is Trump a lying idiot who is simply making this up? Or is it true and should be defended as a good thing?

Either way, he has a consistent track record of being proven right in phony scandal after scandal, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

The man launched his political career by being wrong about an Obama conspiracy theory.

Trump launched his career with obnoxious media stunts. I'm not going to pretend to condone that stuff. Does that mean I should have voted for career criminal and literally evil person Hillary Clinton instead?
[/quote]

Don't for a second pretend you're in the reluctant Trump supporter camp.

[EnglishPete]

even if the intelligence community did look into the trump campaign...that wouldn't be what trump is suggesting.

The 'intelligence community' clearly did 'look into' the Trump campaign. The non-denial denial from Obama basically confirms this. The 'intelligence community' work for the government so the question is why did the Obama administration order the wiretapping of a political opponent.

[ApatheticAustrian]

even if the intelligence community did look into the trump campaign...that wouldn't be what trump is suggesting.

The 'intelligence community' clearly did 'look into' the Trump campaign. The non-denial denial from Obama basically confirms this. The 'intelligence community' work for the government so the question is why did the Obama administration order the wiretapping of a political opponent.

cause the trump campaign are traitors to the country?

no one really doubts this fact today, not even the well-respected anti-mainstream site "reagan battalion".

[Middle-aged Europe]

is there really no way to sideline an unfit president?

outbreaks like that should automatically make pence prez.

Section 4 of the 25th amendment grants the cabinet the authority to declare Trump incapable of serving as president.

[ApatheticAustrian]

is there really no way to sideline an unfit president?

outbreaks like that should automatically make pence prez.

Section 4 of the 25th amendment grants the cabinet the authority to declare Trump incapable of serving as president.

ah, thank you, now i understand what david frum is talking about since months and i forgot to look into it all the time.

not that i have got any hope before maaaaaaaaaaaybe 2018.

[EnglishPete]

even if the intelligence community did look into the trump campaign...that wouldn't be what trump is suggesting.

The 'intelligence community' clearly did 'look into' the Trump campaign. The non-denial denial from Obama basically confirms this. The 'intelligence community' work for the government so the question is why did the Obama administration order the wiretapping of a political opponent.

cause the trump campaign are traitors to the country?

no one really doubts this fact today, not even the well-respected anti-mainstream site "reagan battalion".

I don't know what your weird fascination with the 'Reagan Battalion' is? Of course you know that they're strongly pro-establishment so I don't know what the odd sarcastic "well-respected anti-mainstream" is supposed to be about.

As for the Trump campaign being "traitors to the country" there is absolutely no evidence for this which is why the 'evidence' that keeps being presented for this claim by Trump opponents is weak sauce nothingburgers strung together with smears and innuendo.

The real scandal here is the Obama administration misusing the security services to spy on and spread  false narratives about a political opponent.