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« Reply #300 on: March 13, 2017, 08:20:49 PM »

Less than 60 days in, and the REPUBLICAN chairman of the House Intelligence Committee is threatening to to subpoena the Trump regime for refusing to provide information backing up the President's unprecedented assertions and his threats against his predecessor. 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/13/politics/intelligence-deadline-wiretaps/
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I'm not sure whether to be more horrified at the fact this is happening at all, or disgusted by the way Trumpolini and his cronies are incompetent at everything, even at being villains.

Lol, its almost as if when the Trump administration called on congress to investigate the government, they forgot that they're the government now.

Possible surveillance of a Presidential campaign could potentially involve a number of different parties and agencies. I would imagine the DOJ want to be thorough in their response and to make sure that they've located all possible records relating to this matter before responding.

So are you saying you're willing to accept the results if the DOJ admits that they have no such evidence?
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« Reply #301 on: March 13, 2017, 08:36:12 PM »

Possible surveillance of a Presidential campaign could potentially involve a number of different parties and agencies. I would imagine the DOJ want to be thorough in their response and to make sure that they've located all possible records relating to this matter before responding.

So are you saying you're willing to accept the results if the DOJ admits that they have no such evidence?
If the DOJ say that there was no such surveillance of the Trump campaign then that will be very interesting. Various news reports have appeared in the media saying that the Trump campaign was suspected by various agencies of wrongdoing and was being subject to surveillance in an effort to substantiate these suspicions. It will be good if the DOJ is able to confirm that these reports were baseless and that there was no such suspicion on the part of government agencies.

On the other hand if there was any such surveillance it will be very interesting to learn when it happened, why exactly it happened, if anything was discovered and who authorised and ordered it.

Either way it will be very interesting to learn the facts after all these months of rumors.
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« Reply #302 on: March 13, 2017, 10:14:05 PM »


This has turned into such a joke. Trump goes on one of his mentally unstable rants, tells a lie about the previous President on twitter no less, and then his minions scramble to try and explain what he really meant. How many times has this happened already since Trump became King?

Bunch of lackeys.

Thank God that most sane people can see through this bullchit.
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« Reply #303 on: March 14, 2017, 09:40:44 AM »

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« Reply #304 on: March 14, 2017, 09:44:39 AM »

Are you actually dumb enough to not realise that this if this were true it'd be extremely damning for Comrade Trump
You don't find a presidential candidate being bugged by the President in the name of "national security" and the CIA a little familiar? You haven't heard this story before?

This is just another conspiracy theory with zero evidence, and it is not being backed by the intelligence community.

You know what IS being backed by the intelligence community? That Trump and his team colluded with Russia to win the election.

And anyway, even if the wiretapping did happen, you just said it was in the name of national security. Wouldn't a presidential campaign working with a foreign power to hack our election system be a threat to our national security?
Finks the intelligence agencies. Remember this place called Iraq? The intelligence agencies have already borderline flirted with treason numerous times before and they will do so again if not reigned in.

The intelligence community worked very well with Obama as President.
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« Reply #305 on: March 14, 2017, 10:29:19 AM »


Where's the evidence?

Is the whole Trump argument now going to be that he can't produce evidence because it was the British who spied?
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« Reply #306 on: March 14, 2017, 10:45:08 AM »

"It must be true because it was reported on Breitbart/Fox News" isn't really proof.
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« Reply #307 on: March 14, 2017, 10:54:33 AM »

If true, at least Obama turned to an ally for surveillance, leaks and encouraged espionage
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« Reply #308 on: March 14, 2017, 10:56:06 AM »

Now that is pathetic if Obama has used British spies to spy on Trump that wouldn't be coming out just now
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« Reply #309 on: March 16, 2017, 11:23:15 AM »



Paul Ryan: 'No such wiretap existed'

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/16/politics/paul-ryan-wiretap-response/index.html

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« Reply #310 on: March 16, 2017, 11:28:17 AM »


No sh**t, Sherlock.
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« Reply #311 on: March 16, 2017, 11:36:52 AM »


It's been going around now that Trump is the little boy who is crying "wolf" too many times.

When something important happens that really is true, nobody is going to believe him.
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« Reply #312 on: March 16, 2017, 02:49:00 PM »


It's been going around now that Trump is the little boy who is crying "wolf" too many times.

When something important happens that really is true, nobody is going to believe him.

The odds of him or his cronies being able to make a coherent case for a real issue was always going to be slim. Whether they'd blown their nonexistent credibility or not doesn't really matter.
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« Reply #313 on: March 16, 2017, 03:07:27 PM »

That's interesting. There were all these reports recently that Trump was suspected by various three letter agencies of working with the Russians to cheat the election which would obviously have necessitated the surveillance that these reports heavily hinted was going on.

Good to know that all these reports were rubbish. If we take Ryan at his word then that there was no investigation into Trump, no FISA request, no surveillance, no real substantial suspicion. Good of him to confirm that.
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« Reply #314 on: March 16, 2017, 03:09:01 PM »

Trump says his twitter rant accusing Obama of ordering surveillance on Trump Tower was justified because he's heard a bunch of people say the word "wiretap" recently. Huh
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« Reply #315 on: March 16, 2017, 03:34:04 PM »

Trump says his twitter rant accusing Obama of ordering surveillance on Trump Tower was justified because he's heard a bunch of people say the word "wiretap" recently. Huh
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He's right. A whole bunch of news outlets have been insinuating that Trump was under surveillance by various three letter agencies. Watching them furiously backpeddle on this when Trump publicly drew the conclusion that they wanted the public to make fully justifies the tweets.
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« Reply #316 on: March 16, 2017, 03:59:51 PM »

He's right. A whole bunch of news outlets have been insinuating that Trump was under surveillance by various three letter agencies. Watching them furiously backpeddle on this when Trump publicly drew the conclusion that they wanted the public to make fully justifies the tweets.

So he's going to call them fake news all day long, then use them as evidence when he comes unhinged and says something he shouldn't have said without actual evidence? Like Rogers quoted, he's the president now - if it happened, he can get the evidence. Instead, he just mindlessly regurgitates chatter from the media / cable news.

He needs to learn how to sit back and be more calculating, instead of indulging these knee-jerk reactions. He ends up looking stupid most of the time, and his supporters / Republican officials have to bend over backwards to find ways to justify whatever crazy stuff he said at any given time. And for what? All of this is just plain stupid, and could have easily been avoided.

If he knew what was good for himself, he'd step away from Twitter for the remainder of his term. Otherwise, this is going to be a long 4 years.
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« Reply #317 on: March 16, 2017, 04:12:17 PM »


I predict he'll be gone much sooner than 4 years. He is not a fit for this job, and he knows it.
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« Reply #318 on: March 16, 2017, 04:58:29 PM »

Like Rogers quoted, he's the president now - if it happened, he can get the evidence. Instead, he just mindlessly regurgitates chatter from the media / cable news.

Maybe the problem is that Trump doesn't really see himself as the president. Consciously or subconsciously, he still regards himself as the opposition. Opposition to THE SYSTEM. All the talk about the "deep state", the rallies with his supporters, his disregard for the intelligence agencies, his slash-and-burn budget proposal etc. all point to this.

The result is that America doesn't really have a president in the true sense right now.
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« Reply #319 on: March 16, 2017, 06:50:06 PM »

The Intelligence Committee confirms there was no surveillance of any kind against Trump Tower either during or after the campaign.
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« Reply #320 on: March 16, 2017, 10:46:21 PM »

He's right. A whole bunch of news outlets have been insinuating that Trump was under surveillance by various three letter agencies. Watching them furiously backpeddle on this when Trump publicly drew the conclusion that they wanted the public to make fully justifies the tweets.

He's not right. No reputable news outlet ever reported that Obama ordered any form of surveillance on Trump himself. Yes, we know that the FBI has probed suspicious lines of communication between people in Trump's campaign and Russian officials. They probably even intercepted some communications between Trump's people and the Russians while wiretapping the Russians' calls. None of that is what Trump accused Obama of. Trump's twitter tirade made a very specific allegation. He said, "Just found out that Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!" Then he said, "Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election?" Then he said, "How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!" He repeated it 3 times for you in case you misunderstood it the first time. Even granting Donald the most charitable interpretation of what he said (i.e., "wire tapping" not being literal but in fact referring to a broad range of surveillance methods), Trump at minimum accused Obama of personally ordering surveillance on Trump's personal residence. Moreover, Trump insinuated that Obama acted illegally in doing so. There is no evidence to substantiate that claim. None whatsoever.

The tortured logic you are attempting to apply to excuse Trump's actions here completely sidesteps the fact that Trump making that statement at all should send up red flags about his mental state.
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« Reply #321 on: March 17, 2017, 05:14:13 AM »


I predict he'll be gone much sooner than 4 years. He is not a fit for this job, and he knows it.

I think even most of his supporters know it, deep down.
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« Reply #322 on: March 17, 2017, 08:10:26 AM »


Sigh... It's embarrassment after embarrassment.
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« Reply #323 on: March 17, 2017, 08:26:56 AM »

If you have a real investigation you do not leak what  you have. You keep secretive about it and let the investigated person or entity make mistakes -- like destroying evidence but creating more evidence in the process. That's how the Feds nailed John Gotti. You keep the persons investigated  loose because you don't want them to have a clue and you think that he can do no more damage except to their cases. Let them think themselves getting away with murder.

Barack Obama is an attorney. He knows this, and he could apply it on the job. Donald Trump doesn't know this; he needs yes-men whose ruthlessness and blind loyalty matter more than competence. 
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« Reply #324 on: March 17, 2017, 10:39:38 AM »

according to the BBC, the telegraph article is wrong...spicer didn't apologize, he just promised not to do it again.
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