HOUSE BILL: Return Education To the Regions Act (Passed - Sent to the VP/PPT)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am going to hold off on processing this amendment until we can get a better number.

I doubt many schools would be helped as few districts would have such a small operating budget.

I agree, I used the numbers from the last amendment because I'm not that smart with numbers, and prefer if some one else handled those.

Unfortunately, I ran out of time last time to get on this and my work schedule is murderous the next few days.

No problem, anyone else in this house could propose some numbers.

Throwing something out there for now, my initial guess would be a number somewhere in the low millions, but that isn't based on any research or anything. That my plan originally was to basically search the lowest budget Local Education Authority, and find out what their numbers were.

[Enduro]

I will do what Yankee suggested later today and propose an amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I guess later is never going to come.

I am going to throw Leinad on this, since I assume he is going to be joining us sometime today as a member.

[Leinad]

I found this: http://www.governing.com/topics/education/gov-education-funding-states.html

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I will review the information later.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I found this: http://www.governing.com/topics/education/gov-education-funding-states.html

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2015/09/25/richest-and-poorest-school-districts/7/

This is better.

It says the poorest district (by income of course) spends 2.2 million in just district funding. Several of the others in the top ten were in the 4 million range. I saw one in the 3 million range.
 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Atlasian People's House of Representatives
Pending
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Re-offering Enduro's provisional amendment text, updated to reflect subsequent research.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Sponsor?!!!


ONEJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OneJ]

I'm not even the sponsor of this bill.

My main concern is cutting the budget. What is the budget for education as of right now?

[Clyde1998]

My main concern is cutting the budget.

The budget would, most likely, be made up through additional spending from the regions in education.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm not even the sponsor of this bill.

The implication is you are to find the sponsor.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

My main concern is cutting the budget.

The budget would, most likely, be made up through additional spending from the regions in education.

Yes, this is actually a concrete way of actually doing what Clyde1998 wants to "form a commission" to "talk about" doing.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I was expecting that to generate a response.   Work with me people!

My main concern is cutting the budget. What is the budget for education as of right now?

Here is the thing. The goal of Clyde's commission is to send issues back towards the regions. There are three means by which to do this in terms of legislation content.

1) Abrupt and total relocation of the issue to the regions. - This would cuase massive disruptions and gaps in funding for areas with less resources
2) A total relocation, phased in over time - This removes the shock effects, which could be devastating, but still leaves gaps for impoverished areas.
3) A piecemeal relocation of the responsibility, combined with a significant amount of "support" in the form of said resources - my preferred course.

However, on any issue, you will face the same big concerns.

If this Congress cannot structure such a transition, even with the 3rd path, then I have no faith that the commission's recommendations will be implemented, assuming even that the commission comes to an agreement, which would likely be a difficulty if Congress likewise is unable to act on its own.

[Clyde1998]

I was expecting that to generate a response.   Work with me people!

My main concern is cutting the budget. What is the budget for education as of right now?

Here is the thing. The goal of Clyde's commission is to send issues back towards the regions. There are three means by which to do this in terms of legislation content.

1) Abrupt and total relocation of the issue to the regions. - This would cuase massive disruptions and gaps in funding for areas with less resources
2) A total relocation, phased in over time - This removes the shock effects, which could be devastating, but still leaves gaps for impoverished areas.
3) A piecemeal relocation of the responsibility, combined with a significant amount of "support" in the form of said resources - my preferred course.

However, on any issue, you will face the same big concerns.

If this Congress cannot structure such a transition, even with the 3rd path, then I have no faith that the commission's recommendations will be implemented, assuming even that the commission comes to an agreement, which would likely be a difficulty if Congress likewise is unable to act on its own.

My preferred method is for any federal program/law in the 'devolved' area remaining in place until the region decides to replace it. They'd become responsible for funding of their regional programs after a certain date; perhaps a month by month increase of their percentage funding:

Month 1 - 90% federal; 10% regional
Month 2 - 80% federal; 20% regional
Month 3 - 70% federal; 30% regional (etc.)

This way the regions are given time to pass new programs and adjust their taxation policy to ensure that funding is available for the programs. This could be achieved temporary via block grants, as well.

Option 3 is my second preference - the only issue that I have with it is that each piece of legislation would be separate and there would be no unified legislation which could get confusing after a while.

The commission would, obviously, recommend what should be devolved, but it would be for Congress to complete the process and to determine the final process for which it happens.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I was expecting that to generate a response.   Work with me people!

My main concern is cutting the budget. What is the budget for education as of right now?

Here is the thing. The goal of Clyde's commission is to send issues back towards the regions. There are three means by which to do this in terms of legislation content.

1) Abrupt and total relocation of the issue to the regions. - This would cuase massive disruptions and gaps in funding for areas with less resources
2) A total relocation, phased in over time - This removes the shock effects, which could be devastating, but still leaves gaps for impoverished areas.
3) A piecemeal relocation of the responsibility, combined with a significant amount of "support" in the form of said resources - my preferred course.

However, on any issue, you will face the same big concerns.

If this Congress cannot structure such a transition, even with the 3rd path, then I have no faith that the commission's recommendations will be implemented, assuming even that the commission comes to an agreement, which would likely be a difficulty if Congress likewise is unable to act on its own.

My preferred method is for any federal program/law in the 'devolved' area remaining in place until the region decides to replace it. They'd become responsible for funding of their regional programs after a certain date; perhaps a month by month increase of their percentage funding:

Month 1 - 90% federal; 10% regional
Month 2 - 80% federal; 20% regional
Month 3 - 70% federal; 30% regional (etc.)

This way the regions are given time to pass new programs and adjust their taxation policy to ensure that funding is available for the programs. This could be achieved temporary via block grants, as well.

Option 3 is my second preference - the only issue that I have with it is that each piece of legislation would be separate and there would be no unified legislation which could get confusing after a while.

The commission would, obviously, recommend what should be devolved, but it would be for Congress to complete the process and to determine the final process for which it happens.

Keep in mind though, that comprehensive legislation has a terrible history in this game, of getting canned because "it was too complex" to follow along.

So it is a double edged sword. Multiple bills becomes confusing, one large bill can be even worse.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Okay we are going to have come up with some plan here in the next few days.

[fhtagn]

Haven't had a chance to completely look all of this over and form an opinion, but bumping this so we don't forget it exists

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Haven't had a chance to completely look all of this over and form an opinion, but bumping this so we don't forget it exists

Has this changed in the past 10 days?

[fhtagn]

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Atlasian People's House of Representatives
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Re-offering Enduro's provisional amendment text, updated to reflect subsequent research.
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a little confusing to follow since this has been going on for so long, but is this the current version of the bill we are looking at?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think so.

[fhtagn]

If that's the case I really have no issues with it, though I imagine some of the dates in the bill would probably need to be updated

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am sure the SoIA can, "catch up".

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

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Atlasian People's House of Representatives
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Re-offering Enduro's provisional amendment text, updated to reflect subsequent research.

a little confusing to follow since this has been going on for so long, but is this the current version of the bill we are looking at?
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I like this bill. I agree with the proposed amendment. I changed the date of the activation of spending cuts from July 1st to October 1st as listed in bold and italics. Let's let the new congressional members have a chance to discuss this bill and hopefully we will vote on this.
Peebs, you've assumed sponsorship of this bill during a previous Congress. Please comment on it.

[JGibson]

I am in line with the changes from July 1st to October 1st.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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